>> well, before wilma mankiller died -- do you know all know she was the chief of the cherokee nation? [applause] right. we were working on a book together. and i'm not 100% sure i can do this by myself, i don't know. but i'm going to try because it was looking at features or practices of indigenous original cultures all around the world that we could learn from now. trying to make a bridge, a really practical, inspirational bridge. because for one thing, it helps, i think, to know that there were all these cultures that didn't have even gendered pronouns. people were people. there was no he and she. what a concept. didn't have a word for nature because we weren't separate. didn't have a word for race because they didn't believe it, you know? i mean, the cultures that were organized on a circle, not a pyramid, that really saw us as linked rather than ranked. so it leads into those cultures. and also, i think, we can get very practical ideas. for instance, talking about the prison industrial complex here -- thank you, angela davis. she gave us that phrase, right? >> exactly. >> it is i