reading david sanger and maggie haberman's interview did you get any reason in there to change your mind about that? >> boy. david's questions were very well informed. but it was striking that trump was extraordinarily ill-informed and he was evasive. maggie and david kept having to try to bring him back to the topic. but it also just struck me how dangerous some of his ideas are. i mean, the possibility of encouraging japan and south korea to develop their own nuclear deterrents. the idea that we would completely allow saudi arabia off on its own perhaps to collapse. the idea that we would withdraw from nato. the idea we might lightly use tactical nuclear weapons. and you know, it also just strikes me that obviously it would be incredibly dangerous to have a president do these things. it's also dangerous frankly to have a leading candidate for the presidency say these things. these undermine our position in the world. and i think they create doubts around the world as well. >> david, before we get to the substance of the interview, i have to ask you, how did it come about, you know, whe

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. >>> outfront now, the national security correspondent david sanger. a very unique person in many ways. i know you in many ways, but you've spent an hour and a half talking to donald trump and not many people have been able to do that. what was your impression of him? >> it was in our interview last friday that was in the times over the weekend that he first put out this thought that it would be all right if japan and south korea had nuclear weapons. it was part of a mer mercantilist view of what american alliances are all about. what prompted the discussion in fact was his insistence that japan had to pay for more of the support of u.s. troops or he would pull the troops back. i pointed out to him that japan already pays more than almost any nation on earth for the american presence there, but made the point that once you pull them back the japanese would feel as if the american nucle nuclear umbrella might not be as certain a thing. that's what started this discussion. i don't think he's thought much about what the other purposes of alliances are. >>

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. >> and coming up on "morning joe," we'll talk to "the new york times'" david sanger about his interview with donald trump. >>> in a campaign of ugly attacks, things got even uglier. on friday the national inquienq published a story suggesting senator ted cruz was involved in extramarital affairs, allegations that cruz strongly denied. and laid at the feet of donald trump whose former adviser, longtime gop operative roger stone is quoted in the story. >> let me be clear, this national enquirer story is garbage. it is complete and utter lies. it is a tabloid smear. and it is a smear that has come from donald trump and his henchmen. it is attacking my family. and what is striking is donald's henchman roger stone had for months been foreshadowing that this attack was coming. it's not surprising that donald trump's tweet occurs the day before the attack comes out. it is a story that quoted one source on the record. roger stone. donald trump's chief political adviser. and i would note that mr. stone is a man who has 50 years of dirty tricks behind him. he's a man for whom a term was coined, f

. >> david sanger, thank you. >> thank you very much. >>> senator bernie sanders wracking up some very big wins over the weekend in saturday. >> we are making significant inroads in secretary clinton's lead. we have a path toward victory. our campaign is the campaign of energy, of momentum, which really to a larwill lead to a l victo victory. >> sanders picking up 55 delegates by our new count but barely making a dent in clinlt's commanding lead. can sanders translate this to upcoming primaries? say nothing of wisconsin next week. joining me, kristen welker from madison, wisconsin, where she is covering the hillary clinton campaign and msnbc's kasie hunt here in the studio with the latest on bernie sanders' sweep. first to you, kasie. let's talk about bernie sanders with these big victories. he's still more than 200 pledge dell gaegates and say nothing oe strategies but trying to build on this with wisconsin and where he could conceivably have a big win and he's demanding a debate with hillary clinton and a debate in new york which she is not yet biting at. >> she's on the foot with de

and before that, new york times interview with david sanger and interview with washington post editorial board last week. only of that they announced he even add foreign policy advisory group. one of the points that former cia director general mike hayden had said on morning joe the other morning was that most canned dade when they are about to announce sit down and talk to foreign policy advisers. especially if they have not had a lot of experience in this field. and that when he was advising jeb bush they all went to florida and spent a full day doing a battery of briefings and lots of q and a with former governor jeb bush who had more experience in governor obviously than donald trump did. it was a very surprising that he had done so little, kate. that he had not assembled a team and the team he assembled was thin by most report because they had not met until today. when they did meet, at the old u.s. post office building here, the new trump hotel property under construction on pennsylvania avenue. kate? >> was that a lengthy meeting earlier today, andrea? >> very good question. we do

i was -- david sanger actually -- >> the desire. >> it's the desire. i'm telling you, the coverage -- i'm not saying donald trump is -- >> desire should not get in the way of a story. >> whatever. we've got editorial pages for a reason. we've got newspapers for another reason and broadcast networks for another reason. the outrageous reporting over the last two weeks on the main pages of the newspapers are repeating the same mistake that everybody is now saying we made back in june and july. just because they find him offensive, racist, et cetera, et cetera. they're missing the story again, jim. i can't believe it's happening again. they're missing the story again because of their hatred of donald trump. >> most of the stuff where he is getting tough scrutiny i would argue deserves scrutiny. he says some insanely crazy things. >> i understand. >> he says insanely offensive things and offensive things. >> are you offended? are the voters offended? >> are we offended? >> the thing is -- >> you're not offended when he's retweeting pictures -- >> it doesn't

side you had hillary -- and i'm not -- there's no moral relativity here, but hillary clinton, as david sangerumn about candidates responding to the terror attacks is running for president in a party that actually requires her to not put too much distance between herself and the president of the united states so hillary clinton's response was we have to fight isis online. even though i think we know hillary would be far more aggressive in this battle than barack obama. but still, mark halperin and john heilemann, talk about the politics of terror and how it often plays out in the extremes. >> we're in our third post-9/11 president and john and i interviewed donald trump yesterday on the day that brussels is attacked, brussels the home of nato, donald trump made it clear that as president he would consider getting rid of nato, that nato tmight not have relevance. and on the other hand you have hillary clinton saying nato is fundamental. you have donald trump saying we need a president who's unpredictable, that president obama has been too predictable, hillary clinton saying no, we need a presid

. >> you wanted to an extensive interview with "the new york times" with david sanger, and first off, that interview as you saw the write-up after your 90 minute conversation? >> i do think i was treated fairly. it's very different. my answers were very different from what you've been hearing. my answers are nato is obsolete. we're spending too much money on nato. we're paying the lion's share. we're spending tremendous amounts of money on something that was many, many decades ago. and the world has changed. it's a different place. there's no emphasis on terror with nato. and frankly, if there is, you need different countries. because it involves different countries. nato is very obsolete and it should be readjusted for change and frankly other people should also bear the brunt. why are we paying so much? >> you're right -- i just found out that we pay for 72% of all defense costs and only 5 of the 28 nations pay what they're required to do and that's 2% of the gdp on defense. >> right. >> it turns out you're right about that. but in terms of nato, with the reinvigorated russian aggre

david sanger's article in today's "new york times" about the ukraine power grid says that they got ins i mentioned earlier through the login credentials. it's based on a dhs memorandum that talks about locking down various systems. i served for a number of years on nist's information security and advisory -- security privacy advisory board and we used to talk to people from the power grid, it's okay, our systems aren't connected to the internet. well, they were fully connected. we are, whether you're talking about the power grid, the water supply, whatever, we're connected in all sorts of disastrously unsafe ways. and as i mentioned earlier, the best way to get at those systems is through login credentials. phones will provide the best way to secure ourselves. this is not just about the personal safety of the data you have on your phone and it's not just about the location of where your family is, and it's not just about the business credentials, but it's really about the, as you say, congressman lofgren, it's really about the way that we are going to secure ourselves in the future. a