mr. edward lucas talking about his book, "cyberphobia." i think it has a great deal of interest and really into different ways for this audience. one is your own personal security of your computer, information and account and also some other things. second of all, also deals with in the book the national security issues involved up while you can imagine how cybercan effect nations defend his upcoming utilities, security systems of all kinds. using many examples of that. mr. lucas's senior editor at the economist. yassin and his bio he has a long career as a course on it in both russia and eastern europe. i should point out one book then i'm familiar with published in 2008 called in a cold war that came out with a revision in 2013 and 2014, which if you take a look at, you will see many of the things are even more true -- true now that were predicted back then. the subject is treated to. we will just have mr. look at talk about this book. then we will engage you in the audience and question you want to ask in the general discussion. we are

mr. edward lucas talking about his book, "cyberphobia." i think it has a great deal of interest and really into different ways for this audience. one is your own personal security of your computer, information and account and also some other things. second of all, also deals with in the book the national security issues involved up while you can imagine how cybercan effect nations defend his upcoming utilities, security systems of all kinds. using many examples of that. mr. lucas's senior editor at the