mr. hoekstra: no, you are asking how it could happen. >> how you see it happening. mr. hoekstra: no, i'm very pessimistic. i see a lot of phrases thrown around that reminds the american people that there can be easy answers to these deep and enduring problems. no, this is hard. this is not political. you are using this for political advantage. i'm very pessimistic. i see the real opportunity, as you go from what we have seen over the last 12-14 years, we will see for the next for for policy. a political hot button, a leverage point to win elections. it will go back and forth. why? because foreign policy is really hard. people are going to make mistakes. the other political party is going to leverage that for their political advantage. we as americans are going to suffer. i'm pessimistic about us actuall y developing the majority to have the discussions we need on foreign policy. i'm sorry, i wish i had an optimistic answer, but i don't. . was on the intel committee all this discussion about black sites. republicans and democrats all knew these things were going on. we we

mr. hoekstra: absolutely. i just got a -- just this morning, someone asked about act for america and she gives a wonderful answer. it is an ideological war as well as a military war. her answer is something like, she does it much better than i d, yes. the question is, aren't most muslims peace loving? yeah, most germans were peace loving and they -- we still ended up fighting a war that cost millions of lives. many people in -- most people in russia are peace-loving and they still went through a process where they killed 20 million people. most japanese are peace love bug they went through a killing swath across much of asia. so yeah, we have to fight the deology. a protestant from west michigan can't fight the ideological war. i'm reading about interfaith dialogue with christians, muslims, and jews and these types of things and it's like, yes, that's good. ok. you know what they ought to be talking about? let's have this dialogue, let's go help the christians and the jews and the other religious minorities in