leading historian and author nell irvin painter. i'm maria hinojosa, this is one on one. nell irvin painter, it's great to have you here. you are the author of sojourner truth: a life, a symbol and your latest book, a history of white people. >> "the"... >> hinojosa: the history. >> ...history of white people. >> hinojosa: well, welcome, nell, to our program. >> thank you. >> hinojosa: so speaking of the history of white people... >> mm-hmm? >> hinojosa: do you think that there might be a time, let's say 100 years from now or 200 years from now, when other historians are looking back at this moment in history and saying, "oh, god, those silly americans of back then." and these would be other americans... >> yes. >> hinojosa: ...saying, "well, god, they divided people up into race!" >> yeah. >> hinojosa: do you think that that's possible? >> yes. if they're historians, they won't cast judgment, however. they'll just say, "in the past, americans divided people up by race." they also divided people up by religion, so it used to be a really big deal if you were jewish or catho