. >> rose: the met brauer, how did it happen? >> i think there had been-- when whitney decided to move downtown, there had been some preliminary discussion between leonard and philippe. just at the time he was retiring, i was becoming director. and the minute i became director, we had the financial crisis. so everything else was put on hold. but discussion kept going, and in-- i think it was in november 2010, leonard called me and he said, "can we talk?" and i said, "sure. when?" and he said, "what about now." and i said, "okay." and i got in a taxi. i went down to his apartment, and he said i really-- i want to keep the lights on in the breyer building. we talked about the challenges for us, what would be involved. but that really got the discussion going. and we had intense discussions within the met about what we would be doing there, how we would use it, what the financial implications woo. roob. and then intense discussion with the whitney about how we would manage a joint operation. but it's all worked out. we've got an ini