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i'm sorry, i'm voting for donald trump, not at all. >> you like charlie sykes. >> i'd vote for charlieirst. >> trump is out of the running here for you. who do you like? >> i like ted cruz. >> it doesn't look like either one of them are going to have enough votes. we'll have a brokered convention. >> that's a good thing because you may need 1260 or so so you should have a brokered convention. i don't think once it gets past the first ballot, tlump's going to drop like a rock. >> counter indicator for trump's popularity. you're selling donald trump board games, the original donald trump board games. how are they selling in these parts? >> not at all. not selling very well at all. >> what does that tell you? >> that tells you he ain't very popular in this end of the state. >> bad news for donald trump. i think donald trump is making a big push. he has to move more quickly than the air waves here in wisconsin and no one can do that. >> i have a small monitor here. what's that little price tag say on that donald trump board game? >> this tells you everything you need to know. it's a $5 pri

first, he got grilled by conservative wisconsin radio host charlie sykes.xt day, wisconsin governor scott walker joined other elected republicans in endorsing ted cruz. then, trump stepped in it with a major abortion gaffe. telling our own chris matthews that women who seek illegal abortions should be subject to, quote, some sort of punishment. remarks he later walked or shall we say ran back. and then there's the real clear politics polling average which shows trump deeply underwater with just 30% favorable ratings versus 63% unfavorable. john dean, the former white house council to richard nixon and an expert in authoritarianism in politics predicted the rise of trump in july when most people were not taking his candidacy seriously. dean wrote for the league blog back then, political pundits everywhere are scratching their heads, asking what is going on with trump, how can a clown like trump be at in front of serious gop candidates. nine months later, the head scratching continues, particularly for the gop. john dean and i spoke on friday. take a listen.

kennedy: charlie sykes is just one of four talk show hosts in the state.erviewed one talk show host last night on my show and donald trump hung up on her. he came off as uneducated in a state where talk radio listen and that's where they get their education. the wisconsin republican establishment is very different than it is in the rest of the country. scott walker is the establishment. he has been fighting against some incredible foes, the likes of which many of these candidates have never seen. when you see the establishment uniting with grassroots and tea party republicans, that means something in that state. charlie: donald tried to sell that wisconsin is a basket case and the con rsh palsies -- and its conservative policies aren't working. lou: he's very popular. charlie: he's very popular among republicans. that's donald's problem. he went into a republican primary saying the guy who is popular with republicans is doing a lousy job. >> there is one number that's been ignored by just about everyone. the trump campaign as well as the national media. 4.

one of them, charlie sykes. we were talking about his show. that got a lot of news agenda earlier in the week and then came the town hall. a young woman with a question on abortion. chris matthews, the moderator, used that as a basis and went in 12 times with follow up questions on abortion. that resulted in the other story. both gentlemen happen to be together in milwaukee. chris. >> i have charlie sykes with me. i don't know what to say. trump is going after you now. your interview was pretty simple. >> i thought so. apparently, i've been living in his head the last week. i think he spent more time talking about me than hillary clint clinton. he wants to be leader of the free world but he's kind of thin skinned. >> i do pay attention to rush limbaugh and sean hannity. it seemed to me there's almost the universality in the day-to-day, hour to hour conservative world. >> no. i think a lot of national guys have been drinking the kool-aid. here in wisconsin it's been pretty anti-trump. what you're seeing here in wisconsin is what happens when he

and stuart stevens and back with us charlie sykes, radio host in milwaukee. he has endorsed ted cruz and he's one of the leaders of the stop trump movement. charlie you succeeded in wisconsin on the stop trump movement and the case i'm making is yes they ran ads against donald trump, but i don't see any more effective voice against donald trump than donald trump's own voice. that's what you used in effect against him in that interview with him. >> yeah. the unfortunate thing is that nothing seems to move the hard core trumpcans, even that really kro creepy, but we discovered we can put together a coalition of the sane and in wisconsin there's going to be 35% or so of people who are going to accept anything that donald trump says, no matter what, but then you have the 65% to 7 0% of republican kwe conservatives who look at this and go this man is unfit to be president of the united states. this is appalling behavior. there are the folks out there, the coalition of the decent and sane. hopefully you folks can do that in new york. >> stuart stevens, one of the si

you have charlie sykes joining you in just a moment. y to sykes earlier. take a listen. >> i think the entire country is looking pto wisconsin. wisconsin has a national platform and megaphone. if we end up with a win tonight, it is going to have national repercussions not just for the 42 delegates at stake here in wisconsin, but i believe it is going to powerfully impact the states to come. >> reporter: and this is central, guys, to cruz's argument here in wisconsin, not just the math but momentum. if he can pick up the somewhat conservatives here and moderates, he's able to point to that as this race moves into place, new york, connecticut, and where trump does better when you look at recent polls. >> hallie, you sort of anticipated my question to you, which is if donald trump loses tonight he'll say, this is a one-off. i'm up by 30% in polls in new york, look at pennsylvania the end of the month. he can kind of put wisconsin behind him quickly. does cruz have a strategy to wrap up those margins in other states? >> it's still a couple w

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i actually sat down with the dean of talk radio here, charlie sykes, a short time ago. here's what he said about the state of the race in wisconsin and why the establishment has been so organized in going against donald trump. >> he is a cartoon version of every single negative stereotype that liberals have had about conservatives, whether it's xenophobic, racist, sexist. at some point, you have to pus back. it's not that i don't think he's conservative enough. i just don't think he has any principled whatsoever. i think the man is a phony. i don't think he's given more than 30 seconds wurgz of consideration to many of the issues and that came out in the abortion question. i think he's an opportunist, a fraud, and i think that to the extent that he has any world view whatsoever, it's narcissism and authoritarianism. >> you know, it's really interesting because you expect those kinds of words to come out of radio talk show hosts, that's who they are. but i have heard those same kind of words from people i have been talking to here, as i have been here for the last couple

we asked charlie sykes and others yesterday.a great nominee and great president or is it that you just can't bear the thought of donald trump getting in there? do you want to get to the convention and pin somebody else entirely different or are you happy if ted cruz is the nominee? >> i'm happy with ted cruz but i'm hope to the notion that delegates won't select ted cruz then you can get to a compromise candidate who i don't think will be paul ryan, contrary to the media. >> who else is out there? >> i'm fine with cruz. new york will be an interesting test and the northeastern states after that. this will be a test of whether he can expand his appeal and if he can expand his appeal to suburbanites in new york -- >> we've talked about this already. let's talk about something really interesting. that is the two or three republicans who that could no f not paul ryan could get in there. do we get back to the jebs, the marcos? >> no. no. >> you can't have people that lost before? >> i don't think so. i think some statesman-like type.

. >> donald trump with charlie sykes earlier this week up in wisconsin and mr.es joins us now along with craig gilbert, chief political reporter for "the milwaukee journal sentinel," and congressman sean duffy from wisconsin's 7th congressional district. republican congressman sean duffy. you had that remarkable i guess 17 minutes with donald trump earlier this week. he came on your show despite the fact that you and your fellow talk radio hosts up in wisconsin have been quite tough, conservatives on donald trump. why do you think donald trump has turned out to be such a poor fit for wisconsin according to the polls right now? >> well, i think it's the culture, and i think it's the politics of this state. we actually do, and i was trying to tell him this, we value decency and civility and rationality and reasonableness, none of which is really associated with donald trump's campaign. and i think that he's misread the culture. i think he's misread the political landscape. you know, here in wisconsin we're actually used to dealing with substantive conservative ide

raised questions about his own network. >> charlie sykes took his opportunity. he knew it would be a one and done. he didn't have to go back to donald trump ever again. people on the beat, people that work for our network, they have to keep the relationship going for a long, long time. charlie didn't have that burden. >> in sh cases, that's true. now when i interviewed trump, we have gone at it hard, butting heads over all kinds of questions. that's not to say he doesn't get some softball interviews. ahead on "media buzz," hillary clinton hasn't held a real news conference in 120 days, just as the e-mail investigation is once again heating up. but first, what happened after outnumbered went off the air and we got to talk about the media? >>> how much responsibility do the media bear for the campaign being waged in the gutter? i was in new york to do "outnumbered". i raised that issue with the hosts. >> so as the presidential campaign has kind of gone into the gutter, many would say, and with talk of the wives and photos and nude pictures and mistresses and all t

charlie sykes. kind of a badge of honor. you make a list of the people he's insulted. >> are you sure you're a conservative radio show host? >> i am a conservative radio show host. which has why i've been critical of him. i think he's a fraud and i think he basically haa become a caricature of what people who aren't conservatives said conservatives are. and i think he poses a real existential threat to the conservative movement and i tried to call him out on that. >> why are milwaukee radio hosts calling out donald trump? in other states, he has owned those markets. what is it about wisconsin radio that is got sort of a real heartbeat for real conservatives? spot a phony when they see a phony, at least in your light. >> we've been through the wars. we're kind of battle tested. i think the monnrchy has been used to principled who gets things done. this is paul ryan country. not donald trump country. this is a market where we're used to hear people who make coherent arguments, which is something not associated with donald trum

cruz himself actually addressed some of that earlier today on charlie sykes' radio show. you know charlie sykes, you know how important he has been to the stop-trump movement around milwaukee. here's what cruz had to say. >> i think the entire country is looking to wisconsin. wisconsin has a national platform and megaphone. and if we end up with a win tonight, it is going to have national repercussions, not just for the 42 delegates at stake here in wisconsin, but i believe it is going to powerfully impact the states to come. >> two key ways this is different tonight, chuck, than it's been before for ted cruz. number one, a more moderate conservative base. if cruz can win here, he's able to make the argument he can win elsewhere. number two, an open primary. let's talk about turnout. as you know, there are reports that it could be very high. the cruz campaign aide is telling me that, hey, high turnout could be a lot of democrats showing up to vote for donald trump. that's something they're keeping an eye on as we start to get some of the exit polling in and wait for some

raised questions about his own network. >> charlie sykes took his opportunity. he knew it would be a one and done. he didn't have to go back to donald trump ever again. people on the beat, people that work for our network, they have to keep the relationship going for a long, long time. charlie didn't have that burden. >> in sh cases, that's true. now when i interviewed trump, we have gone at it hard, butting heads over all kinds of questions. that's not to say he doesn't get some softball interviews. ahead on "media buzz," hillary clinton hasn't held a real news conference in 120 days, just as the e-mail investigation is once again heating up. but first, what happened after outnumbered went off the air and we got to talk about the media? it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support stron

they're at least four big talk show hosts here led by charlie sykes, who did an interview with donald trump on monday. people are still talking about it. talking about the fact that trump went on three of the four big talk shows and didn't even seem to know they had been trying to stop him for months now with this movement. and add to that, he came to town, he talked badly about the governor, who is very popular here among the base. he's only in the 40s across wisconsin. but among the republican base, he's got an approval rating of 70%, 80%. then there's paul ryan, of course, the speaker of the house, extraordinarily popular here. comes here, says bad things about him. it has a lot of other influencers, i talking about people who have been on the ground in this campaigns for a long time, people who run the business community, who say that they are now part of this anti-stop trump movement in spite of the facts they're not crazy about ted cruz, they're determined to do what they want to do to stop donald trump. i sat down with charlie sykes, the most influential talk show radio guy her

raised questions about his own network. >> charlie sykes took his opportunity.d done. he didn't have to go back to donald trump ever again. people on the beat, people that work for our network, they have to keep the relationship going for a long, long time. charlie didn't have that burden. >> in sh cases, that's true. now when i interviewed trump, we have gone at it hard, butting heads over all kinds of questions. that's not to say he doesn't get some softball interviews. ahead on "media buzz," hillary clinton hasn't held a real news conference in 120 days, just as the e-mail investigation is once again heating up. but first, what happened after outnumbered went off the air and we got to talk about the media? when you think about success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the natural world? whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. t-i-a-a. this is lloyd. t

he went on and on about charlie sykes at that rally. why spend so much time talking about a conservative radio host the day before a pivotal role here in washington? >> he's endorse ad a candidate,s helping a candidate, and ld i don't mind him doing that. we could talk about the business three-wheeled bag from people. . i look forward to this primary being over. >> we listened to 10 minutes of a donald trump rally just a few moments ago, and he didn't bring up any of the subjects that you just mentioned there, not one of them. not isis, not immigration, not his plan to reduce the $19 trillion debt. >> i think he'll get to that. >> mr. bennett, as always. >>> as we head out to the polls tomorrow, msn, and win big, fla in wisconsin. we're live in milwaukee not far from where abraham lincoln delivered a speech more than 150 years ago. the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪ sir, this alien life form at an alarming rate. growing fast, you say? we can't contain it any long... oh! you know, that reminds me of how geico's been t

trump movement making milwaukee ground zero, led by a group of conservative talk radio hosts, like charlie sykes. >> this is not a conservative candidate. this is a clown car, and the rhetoric that worked elsewhere does not work in a state like wisconsin. >> reporter: it's why tomorrow is the best shot for anti-trump groups to show they can stop h as several strategists tell nbc news new ads are on the way beyond the badger state. >> 42 delegates in wisconsin are critical to stopping donald trump. >> reporter: but a win here would prove trump really is teflon even after his toughest week yet. battling back criticism from economists to say he's wrong to warn we're headed for a crash. >> what i said is we're going to go into a massive recession, but i also say if i'm president, that's not going to happen. >> reporter: plus a revealing new profile claiming he wears a bulletproof vest sometimes, even as he comes under fire for rallies that can turn violent. he says he can start acting presidential whenever he wants. so far, it's the same trump on the trail. that's fine with linda hanson, who says sh

. >> i told that to charlie sykes. >> and charlie sykes, this guy is third rate.e's a third-rate talent, and frankly, the governor, you know the story. but the women, i think that i'm going to do very well with women. we just had a big meeting, many women at the meeting. and they like me best because they say you're best with the military. you're best with the borders. you're best for security. i said i'm going to be best for women's health issues. much better than hillary, much better than anybody else. so i think we're going to do fantastically well with women. >> if you don't win here, mr. trump, will it be because you misread or your campaign misread the wisconsin electorate? do you think that perhaps you might have come in here knowing that you beat him and not been so tough on the governor? not been so tough on a radio talk show host who frankly is very popular here and very well respected? >> the state is not doing particularly well. it's average compared to other states surrounding. the governor has a good press. the governor is a nice man. he gave me a pl

i so appreciate your state senator, and i have to tell you, i so appreciate charlie sykes. [applause] he did his job. and vicki mckenna did her job. [applause] they did their job. i think that charlie is absolutely right in what he said to you a couple of moments ago. the people of wisconsin have an incredible opportunity to show the rest of the nation how it is done, to show the rest of the nation what real conservative activists know about the state of this nation and who is the leader who can bring our nation to a better place. i want you to send a really loud and strong message tomorrow. if you needed any more motivation to do that, i want to tell you about something i read in the newspaper this morning. here is a test. where do you think more expensive wine is consumed than anywhere else in the nation? you got it, sir. washington d c. i was a chief executive in silicon valley for many years and silicon valley, there are all these tech founders, billionaires. silicon valley has been for a long time the wealthiest area in the united states. they are number two now. gets w

charlie sykes, a popular conservative radio host in milwaukee. charlie, good to see you, my friend.inally meet you in the flesh. i want to give you an opportunity to respond to something the gop front runner said at his rally in lacrosse a short time ago. this is what donald trump said about you. here it is. >> the machine against us. we have these dopey guys, this one guy, such a dope. i talked to him on the radio guy, some guy named sykes. he doesn't have a clue. such a one side -- i thought if you had a radio, you're supposed to be a little bit impartial. >> we believe in equal time here. your response to mr. trump. >> i'm in select company here considering what he said on the national review and everybody else in the media, but what was fascinating is he could be talking about isis or immigration or the economy or jobs or the deficit and instead he's talking about a radio talk show host who ask him some tough questions. >> i don't want to get too much back into the interview but what i found puzzling, why did he come on your show? he had to know you weren't a fan. >> i figure yo

the aforementioned charlie sykes played a crucial role in this campaign so far. , glad to have you here. sdp >> thank you. >> explain to me your sense of the sort of feelings of folks in your core listenership about this race. >> this is a moment in which i think a lot of republicans would have been more comfortable with marco rubio, let's be honest about it. ted cruz is not necessarily the best fit. >> i was talking to somebody in waukesha and i was sort of quizzing him. he said, i'll probably vote for cruz, but if rubio were in it -- rubio would be carrying the milwaukee suburbs, wouldn't he? >> i think he would. so the big question is would the people who would support scott walker first and then rubio, would they make that connection to ted cruz? scott walker's endorsement very influential in this area. donald trump's decision to attack scott walker equally as important because, i mean n these areas where you're seeing this big turnout, these people have been through a lot, his approval rating -- scott walker's approval rating is about 80%. >> among those folk

. >> i told that to charlie sykes last week, mr.ykes, this guy is third rate, a third rate talent and the governor you know the story with the governor, but the women i think that i am going to do very well with women. we just had a big meeting, many women at the meeting and they like me best because they say you're best with the military, with the borders, with security and i said i'm going to be best for women's health issues, much better than hillary, much better than anybody else. so i think we're going to do fantastically well with women. >> if you don't win here, donald -- mr. trump, will it be because you misread or your campaign misread the wisconsin electorate? do you think that perhaps you might have come in here knowing that you beat him and not been so tough on the governor, not been to tough on a radio talk show host who is popular here and well respected. >> the state is not doing particularly well, it's average compared to other states surrounding, the governinger has a good press, he gave me a plaque because i suppor

. >> some are cautioning against donald trump, including wisconsin's charlie sykes, whose campaign led to the defeat of him in that state. he took on the fight with ted cruz over the two candidates' wives. >> he started it, and if he didn't start it, nothing like this would have happened. >> we're not on a playground, we're running for president of the united states. >> gop heavyweight, rush limbaugh, who says that he's neutral, has taken heat from listeners who see him as an apologist for the new york businessman. >> it seems like you're going out of your way and doing cartwheels to defend trump. it's a turn off at this point. >> back in maryland -- >> you can certainly vote over the airwaves right now. >> just weeks ahead from the primary, a surprising number of callers admit that they're crossing party lines. >> i'm a lifelong democrat. >> you go girl. >> but i changed my party so i can vote for trump. >> i don't know why you think that you need to fall on this electoral grenade. vote for the best candidate. >> it's all strategy. >> callers express many opinions about the hot button

. >> joining me now, the other voice you heard in that clip, charlie sykes from milwaukee.h a welcome to you, i was smiling at that last comment. i want to say you are a member of the never trump camp. what did you want to hear from him in this interview? >> i was trying to say look, you are coming into wisconsin where we value civility andy is sensey and coherent thought. this might be a moment to stop the insults and say wives should be off limits and i invited him to do that. he acknowledged that was not a good idea. he would have had a better week when he did it on monday when i gave him the opportunity. >> any surprises other than being surprised he didn't straighten up on the front? >> it's not a secret what i said about him and he is a cynical opportunist and a demagogue and not a conservative or a liberal, he is a paman with no principals. they would have figured that out, but they didn't do that. >> let's talk about them. i think things are different here. we are a fire wall of rationality. people pay attention. we have a different talk radio environment and we hav

. >> hugh, donald trump's problems in wisconsin started on conservative talk radio with charlie sykes, local radio host there. does indiana have that same kind of local conservative talk show host who might find himself in that kind of engagement with donald trump? >> no. but they've got quite a lot of mark levine. and mark was making the argument that donald trump is essentially launching a hostile takeover of the republican party. and that ted cruz is the constitutional conservative they've always waited for. so mark is articulating this. but he's articulating it pretty much by himself. what indiana has is mike pence. i'll point out that tonight "national review," the chronicle of all things conservative put out things for pence to get off the fence. i'm staying resolutely on the fence. i don't know if mike pence is going to. but if donald trump gets close to 1,237, you might still see, lawrence, the rules committee urge the republican party to reject him. they would certainly sunder the republican party, destroy their opportunity for a win in the fall. but it would nevertheless pre

radio king charlie sykes has full disclosure about he's a never trump guy. a listen. >> i think wisconsin is the state where the trump train derails. this entire narrative that he's a winner, a winner, and that he's immune to backlash for the things he says and does, i think that's going to be broken here in wisconsin. >> so you think, dan, from your perspective about wisconsin politics, is it an obstacle to the trump winning narrative? we've seen him come up short in other places, but why do you think wisconsin could be so pivotal? >> i think it's because wisconsin is the republican establishment. you have paul ryan here, reince prebius here, governor walker here, and there was a decision to try to stop trump by endorsing ted cruz. not that ted cruz is a great fit here. his style doesn't match wisconsin politics, he's very evangelical. wisconsin is not heavily evangelical, but the decision was made to throw all the support behind him and to try to create this as a firewall. the question is how effective that's going to be. there are three polls out that sho

there's a local radio guy not on my station, charlie sykes said he wants to jump over the winner. >>top with the news. we'll go over. romney lost so badly. he was -- it was one of the great defeats in the history of presidential politics and for this guy to be talking and he knows how i felt and i said, hey look, he's a choke artist. he choked with president obama. and that's not presidential to say but i'll say it anyway. i always say i want to say it until i win and then i'll get presidential. okay? but romney is nothing but a choke artist. i don't want his endorsement. if i win this, i don't need his endorsement. >> the strategy to take this from the people that won the most votes, the most got the most delegates. >> millions and millions of people voting and i have people, biggest story in politics today. the republican party i hate to say, because it's, you know, whatever, because i'm running, they went to see america be great again. et cetera, et cetera. all the things we'll do, the republican party is millions of votes more than it did four years ago. now, it's getting million

that's where charlie sykes began on his radio show trying to teach him basic manners.ou apologize when your guy touches someone in the crowd who is bothered by -- you say, sorry. you do these basic things. they couldn't -- wisconsin couldn't teach him anything and this statement tonight means he learned absolutely nothing. and, look, when you start as an amateur trying to do anything, you better learn in the process of doing it. he's not learning anything in the process of doing it. >> yet the folks i see on tv say he's just entering his power card now. >> yeah, i mean, look, it was an amateur campaign at the beginning. we had this report in "new york" magazine a deep look inside the campaign where they openly admitted doing this to build up fame at the beginning. he didn't expect to stay in it long and to stay in it this long there's bunch of serious things you have to do. you have to learn how to spell delegate and know how to find them and go into the states and get them. you have to get the ben ginsbergs out there doing that work. they haven't done it. >> you have

. >> how big has the charlie sykes effect been, in southeastern wisconsin, where people listen to him and seem to all agree with him. >> for people who aren't familiar with the landscape in wisconsin, it's unlike most other states where you have local conservative talk radio hosts who are very influential, and i think that what you have seen them do is build this anti-trump movement in the state far beyond this immediate leadup to the primary. they've been doing this for months, almost a year. so this has been very baked in, and i think that the interview that you cited that happened this week, was telling because trump was pushed more than we have seen him being pushed in some national interviews though combination of this longer in wisconsin and then this bad week that included that interview issue think has been very influential for voters there. >> he seems to ride largely on friendlies. i hear this one host who talks to him a lot and calls him donald. something we don't do. it feels like that is how he rolls. is it? >> to some degree it is. with donald trump you have to remember

msnbc's chris jansing when she asked about his contentious interview with the anti-trump radio host charlie sykes. >> sometime you go into unfriendly territory. that's part of the game. >> and that's what you considered wisconsin to be? >> no. you said about -- >> you were talking about the radio host. >> that's what i mean about the dishonest media. >> i'm asking you a question allowing you to answer it. >> excuse me. you're asking me about a show host. i said he was unfriendly territory. then you say is that wide wisconsin? that's so dishonest. look, that's called dishonest media. >> well, jansing did set a trap for him giving trump an opening to turn it back on her. bernie sanders cited a "washington post" headline clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president. and justifying his attack on her as unqualified for the white house. all the headline was a bit of a stretch because clinton didn't use those words, sanders reverted to one of his favorite themes. >> let me be clear. this is not the type of politics that i want to get into. i know that's what the media loves. >> so bern

. >> they say charlie sykes the conservative radio host in wisconsin is reporting that governor scott walker pressured mike pence to consider cruz. that's perhaps what got him over the line on that. let me ask you whether you think this makes a difference in indiana because i assume you agree -- tell me if you don't -- this is it for ted cruz. he's got to win this state. >> yep. yes, i think that's right. two points. first of all, you'll hear from trump people tonight, this doesn't matter, this is irrelevant. who cares? well, the fact is donald trump sought mike pence's endorsement and didn't get it so that's some self-serving revisionism right there. as for the broader picture and this nominating contest, there's no sugar-colting it, megyn. this is a must-win election on tuesday for ted cruz. and look, if he were to draw it up the way he wanted, this is how it would be playing out. he finally has the one-on-one contest he's been pining for against donald trump. he's got the governor in his he fiorina. the list goes on. this is a fairly conservative midwestern state. the stars are sor

. >> mitch, i want to show you something politico wrote about another wisconsin radio host, charlie sykes if we can put that up on the screen. here's what he said in part. we bear some responsibility because we beat on the mainstream media for so long, and now there are no credible sources anymore. that jumped off the page at me. i said to myself, maybe all of the lamb basting of the so-called mainstream media lessened the credibility of those outlets that would otherwise right now be vetting donald trump. what do you make of that thought? >> we've had a la carte media for a long time. conservative stations and networks or papers ever since ross perot was on larry king, we've moved that way, phil donahue had them on his show. we've gone that way for a long time. no surprise. a lot of it is, can we don't have 17 candidates anymore. the math works against trump. carson and rubio people are going to cruz plus he's hurting himself with women. i think you can analyze this case by case. new york would be a different story. we're not so doomsayers. the gloom and doom, we get to new york. trump h