. -- we will talk to john sununu. ing us the national cochairman of john kasich presidential campaign, senator john sununu. welcome back to the show. donald trump says ted cruz and and kasich are colluding they are desperate and pathetic. what say you? is scared.rump he's not going to have enough delegates at the convention, we are going to an open convention and he will lose 300-400 delegates on the second ballot, and once he does come he will not be the nominee. it's about using resources effectively. john kasich is not going to spend money in indiana and ted cruz will not spend money in new mexico or oregon. tot gives them both a chance play to their strengths. equally important, tomorrow john kasich will win delegates in connecticut, rhode island, maryland and pennsylvania. every delegate he takes away from donald trump makes it harder for him to get 50%. -- argue you are good this was done out of strength as opposed to weakness? a it was done because it is good tactical move. he doesn't get the billion dollars in

well, governor john sununu is standing by to tell you.cretary hillary clinton getting nervous about senator bernie sanders? now the democratic race is turning a tad bit nasty. ♪ you're not gonna watch it! ♪ ♪ no, you're not gonna watch it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download on the goooooo! ♪ ♪ you'll just have to miss it! ♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. >>> well, it's the political powerball, no doe but delegates, two massive delegate prizesc%uz still on the line. new york and california. they offer up the biggest chance of then 1237 delegates. even getting those prize states may not guarantee that the g.o.p. will find itself in contested convention. former new hampshire governor john sununu goes "on the record." good evening, sir. >> hello, greta. >> 2012 you were the chairman of the rules committee for the convention; is that correct? >> that's correct. >> all

the rules committee was john sununu.hn sununu was wielding immense power, the convention committee, the credentials committee, conspiring against ron paul specifically. rule 40-b as a result of all of that, and this time the question is does 40-b survive the rules committee, convention rules committee, in the week before the convention. >> now they don't want it to. lou: oh. >> they want to open it up and allow someone to be nominated on the floor. that's the dream. that's the -- lou: but the issue is whether it will happen? will trump, if he proceeds as he is right now, have sufficient power within that committee because it's made up of the delegates, will he have the power to forestall that effort by the establishment that doesn't seem to be losing any of its antipathy by donald trump and his candidacy? >> i think that's why they've got paul manafort in there. interesting. i think lewandowski was great. he did a great job. have you credit trump to be smart enough to say i need a convention genius and brought in manafor

i was under pressure from president bush, vice president quayle, white house chief of staff john sununui even was pressured by then-iowa's governor, terry branstad, no once again iowa's governor. i heard from a lot of iowans, particularly republicans, who were disappointed and even angry with my position. some were even considering a public rebuke because of my vo vote. being one of just two republicans, it was difficult to differ with a republican president on such major issue, but as i stated at the time, my decision was above any partisa partisanship. it was a decision of conscience rather than a matter of republican versus democrat. after a tremendous amount of soul-searching, i did what i thought was right, regardless of the political pressure. now, the same is true today with regard to the supreme court vacancy. under president george w. bush, i faced another dilemma. the president and the republican congressional leadership determined after president george w. bush was elected president on a policy to get tax cuts done -- and i agreed with that policy -- but they wanted to provid

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john sununu was chairman of the 2012 rules committee.chief of staff for president g h.w. bush. former governor of new hampshire. author of the book, the quiet man. >> how are you doing? bill: i'm doing fine. priebus said he has done more tv the past two weeks than the past year. he might get used to that real soon. some in the party want to change rules before you get to cleveland. all this stuff is very complicated thaw understand. here is my question. >> let me try to simplify it. bill: here is my question. will the rules in 2016 be the same as established by you and others in 2012? >> no, they can't because every convention has to adopt its own rules that deals with the time frame they're in and process that is taking place. there are two groups, bill. one is the republican national committee. priebus is the chairman of that. the other is the convention. the convention is made up of delegates that come from the states in variety of ways. some states have primaries, some states have caucuses and so on. the convention rules are set by t

bill: john sununu from new hampshire is with us last hour.rules committee in tampa four years ago. i did not know that he said 100 republicans two from every state across the country, gather the day before the convention. takes about eight hours to get the rules together. in theory if you have a contested convention in cleveland, that is what happens, right? >> oh, absolutely. he is writes the rules may determine the results in this case. governor sununu would know that process backwards and forwards. bill, as we both know, you don't mess with governor sununu. i don't know what roll he has in this convention but i fear him. bill: you fear him. said with honesty. here is your math, right? your calendar, wisconsin is tomorrow. then we've got new york and five states as we mentioned here in the northeast coming up at the end of april. what kind of picture will we have in may? we'll have to wait and see. sununu said, what i offered to him was, you should televise this rules committee, right? i mean the day of 24 hour news cable is now. the day of

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it's missing some copies very valuable but then john sununu shakespeare said this is a likeness of thatman and that's important because it's person-to-person familiar connections to shakespeare and so we would say this has real authority in the likeness of this writer. plus go with 82 folios in the shakespeare collection, correct? how many worldwide? >> guest: 233. posted at 233. if someone wanted to buy one what would it cost? >> there are very few first folios in private hands and complete first folios can go from five to $6 million so it's a very valuable book. >> host: currently you have first folios going around the country. >> guest: one of the things we realized is that really matters when you come face-to-face with one of the sources of shakespeare so we realize take the first folio to all 50 states and territories which is happening now and the response has just been tremendous. someone propose marriage successfully on the occasion of the first folio visit in oklahoma. someone in new orleans, a jazz funeral for shakespeare. there's a great band doing a concert for the first fol

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former governor of new york, john sununu, will be there for john kasich.ing for donald trump? >> donald trump did have a surrogate seat at one of our congressional districts meetings today or assemblies today. he has a surrogate as governor kasich. i believe ted cruz who is the only presidential candidate on the ground here in colorado. >> thank you for clarifying that. it's about the ground game. is that true in colorado as well? does it mean something when the candidate herself or himself comes there, jeff? >> i believe so. it's a recognition of how critical colorado is. even though we only have nine electoral votes, it's a key swing day. depending on which party, which candidate simulates the most turnout in the november election. >> all right. we're learning with you. so, jeff, thanks so much. talk to you later on. >> thank you. >>> time now for my take. if you got the colorado process for the gop delegate process was complicated, wait until you hear about michigan. yeah, michigan already had its primary and donald trump won the proportional state so h

. >> reporter: back in colorado springs at the hotel, former new hampshire senator john sununu was there behalf of john kasich. >> this is about more than that. >> is the wooing and courting okay with you or do you feel pressure? >> i'm a lonely man. i like to be wooed every now and then. >> randi, how did the delegates you were following do it? were any of them elected to the national convention? >> only one of the unpledged delegates we were following will be going to the republican national convention. he's going as an alternate. he told me likely he won't be able to vote. he's simply going for the show as far as the delegate count here, ted cruz has won all of the delegates so far at these smaller conventions except for two alternates. they were elected today and they'll be supporting donald trump. ted cruz, anderson, has a very strong ground game here. his campaign knows what they doorg. they've been recruiting delegate candidates who have good name recognition, local political types that people know here. they've been voting for. that's how they are getting elected to the national

. >> back in colorado springs, at the hotel, former new hampshire senator john sununu was courting unpledgedbehalf of governor john kasich. >> no one is going to have their mind changed with a fancy dinner. this is more than that. >> is the wooing and courting okay or you feel pressure? >> i'm a lonely man, i like to be wood now and then. >>> thank you to randi kaye for laying out the process. on the democratic side the showdown between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is focused on one state, wyoming. the all important wyoming democratic caucus is wrapping up, results are coming in as you see here president 14 pledged delegates at stake. democrat bernie sanders is looking to extend his big winning streak, if sanders emerges victorious in wyoming he will have won eight out of the last nine contests. clinton is trying to put a stop to his growing momentum before the new york primary. i'm going to bring in paul. you've been there for a while. tell us about the results that are trickling in. >> reporter: they have just come in in a big batch. one of the counties we were waiting for that promi

at steven miller the surrogate for donald trump who spoke before the entire convention senator john sununuke before the entire convention. look, they both addressed the convention and x delegates twice during the two days of the process. ted cruz only person who showed up in person. multiple videos find on youtube about the colorado convention and can you see the energy and enthusiasm for ted cruz throughout the thousands of people. for dump to besmirch the reputations of thousands and thousands of colorado republicans who took time away from work, who took time away from family to be a volunteer delegate to this process and then to say that they are corrupt is simply unacceptable. >> what happened last august to the straw poll. >> a decision by the state party to into the do a straw poll. the straw poll was done in 2012. it wasn't binding. they decided not to do a straw poll back in august. i'm not defending this process. what i'm defending is the fact that the colorado republicans followed the process been in place since president taft problem is when you get this tweet we did it, never

that's why john sununu is here for kasich.know none of the colorado delegates are pledged to him. are you making promises or friends? >> this is about making friends. building relationships. >> reporter: those friendships could pay off if the convention goes to a second or third round of balloting. it seems like cruz is outmaneuvering trump here. >> i would really say it's the gop outmaneuvering donald trump. >> reporter: the fix is in. >> the fix is in in colorado. >> reporter: but at a contested convention, it's a jump ball. the republican nominee could well end up being none of the above. for "this week" david wright, abc news. colorado springs. >>> and let's get more on this now from abc's tom llamas who covers the trump campaign. the trump campaign getting outmaneuvered on the ground. a big shakeup. mr. trump bringing in an old republican hand to take charge of the delegates. it's bigger than that. >> that's right. the way it was described to me is that the campaign outgrew the leadership team. it was no secret that trump

john sununu was with us monday saying he was on the rules committee four years ago and this rule washe fact that a hurricane hit the convention so they had to condense the time of prime time talk so the limited amount of time to enter name the nomination is why you came up with this idea you had to win a minimum of 5 or even eight states with the majority of delegates and your name is in the nomination. that is the rule as it stands now, correct? eight is the minimum. >> that is the rule now. that may have been one of the reasons but this is what the romney delegates decided to do on the rules committee and ultimately on the floor of the convention. bill: ted cruz has four states to his name. of the rule stand it would be not enough for him to enter his name into the nomination. he has to win four more states, correct? >> he might have more than that, but he has to have a majority of eight states, delegates, on the nomination, in order to be nominated on the floor of the convention. that is correct. bill: still has time to make up for that. nebraska, montana, south dakota, he may or

i was under pressure from president bush, vice president quayle, white house chief of staff john sununu. i even was pressured by then-iowa's governor, terry branstad, no once again iowa's governor. i heard from a lot of iowans, particularly republicans, who were disappointed and even angry with my position. some were even considering a public rebuke because of my vo vote. being one of just two republicans, it was difficult to differ with a republican president on such major issue, but as i stated at the time, my decision was above any partisa partisanship. it was a decision of conscience rather than a matter of republican versus democrat. after a tremendous amount of soul-searching, i did what i thought was right, regardless of the political pressure. now, the same is true today with regard to the supreme court vacancy. under president george w. bush, i faced another dilemma. the president and the republican congressional leadership determined after president george w. bush was elected president on a policy to get tax cuts done -- and i agreed with that policy -- but they wanted to prov

i was under pressure from president bush, vice president quayle, white house chief of staff john sununueven was pressured by then-iowa's governor, terry branstad, no once again iowa's governor. i heard from a lot of iowans, particularly republicans, who were disappointed and even angry with my position. some were even considering a public rebuke because of my vo vote. being one of just two republicans, it was difficult to differ with a republican president on such major issue, but as i stated at the time, my decision was above any partisa partisanship. it was a decision of conscience rather than a matter of republican versus democrat. after a tremendous amount of soul-searching, i did what i thought was right, regardless of the political pressure. now, the same is true today with regard to the supreme court vacancy. under president george w. bush, i faced another dilemma. the president and the republican congressional leadership determined after president george w. bush was elected president on a policy to get tax cuts done -- and i agreed with that policy -- but they wanted to provide

joining us former new hampshire governor john sununu and of particular relevance he chaired the rulest the 2012 republican convention, so he has a unique perspective on this whole process. thanks so much for being here. >> good morning alisyn. >> i haven't talked to you since wisconsin. how do you assess the state of the race today? did wisconsin reshuffle the deck? >> i don't think it reshuffled it. it moved in a direction a lot of people saw it was going in. and that is towards an open convention. and the odds i think are about 60, 70% at this point. >> as we said, you chaired the rules committee. i can't think of a wonkier title. you are the perfect person to talk about the arcana how this is all going work. what is going happen at the convention? >> well it took 8.5 hours to prepare the rules to send to the floor for approval last time. so it is going to be interesting. let's put into context this 40 b everybody keeps talking about. rule 42 makes it clear that 40 b are part of those rules only applying to last time convention and that new rules will be developed for this conventio

it's very probable in and of itself but then john sununu shakespeare said this is the likeness of a man, and that's important because it's want to get one of person connections to shakespeare. so we would say that this has real authority in the likeness of his writer. >> so if 82 folios in the shakespeare collection, correct? >> correct. >> how many worldwide? >> 233. >> if someone wanted to buy one, what would it cost speak with our very few first folios in private hands and complete first those can go somewhere between five and $6 million. so it's a very valuable book. >> currently give first folios going around the country. >> we do the one of the things we realized as it comes -- it matters. we realized we could safely take the first to fall due to all 50 states and the two territories which is what's happening now. the response has been just tremendous. so when proposed marriage successfully on the occasion of the first folio visit in oklahoma. someone, there was a jazz funeral for shakespeare coming in new orleans. a jazz funeral for shakespeare there's a great indie rock band tha