klan. >> and the ku klux klan. imagine it's especially hot in these robes. >> oh, it's horrible. >> it's a sacrifice. the whole premise behind the mask is to show that we're equal. the mask makes us all equal in each other's eyes. >> so what do african-americans think about the klan? >> obviously, black people and the klan have had issues, to put it lightly. you know, me coming out here to talk to you guys is not something my mother dreamed of. >> no. >> so you know, obviously that's a thing. and i respect the fact you're letting me come out here and i also respect the fact you're letting me leave. >> i can tell you nordic order knights is a direct action group. if you come at us we're going to come back at you. we are not politically correct whatsoever. if you try to hurt one of our members, we will hurt you. >> mm-hmm. i understand. >> don't let me sugar-coat anything. >> no, i understand. >> we're pro-white, 100%. we only work on our race. >> mm-hmm. >> the other mud races, leave us alone. that's all i've got to

i'm here to meet with an arkansas leader of the ku klux klan.ow come this can't happen during the day again? all right. there's a car with the head lights on. if that's him, he'll blink his head lights. let's go. this guy said he was coming alone. why did i believe him? camera crew or not, this seems like a bad idea. >> imperial wizard of the international keystone knights of the ku klux klan. first of all, thanks for meeting with me. clan historically has been a group associated with violence. >> i'm not associated with violence. >> i know. i'm saying historically. don't you think that by wearing the same robes that it's difficult to separate those two separate klans . >> what means qualified? >> must be white and a christ n christian. jews will never be in the clan. their rar di they're a dirty race. you proud to be a black man is this. >> i am. >> you married to a black woman? is. >> i'm married to a white woman. there's murder and -- is interracial murder equal to that? >> it's above that because it's an abalmination. >> so, it's worse than

he says the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today and the ku klux klan forever. wallace was using the race issue through his own end. he knew what was going to be desegregated, it was just a matter of time. he went to the students, he went to every student leader and he did not say please help me, he said this is how you are going to help me and he got them on board. then, he went to the faculty in the faculty in the november of -- they were afraid of what happened to all miss -- alole miss in 19 622. -- 1962. he got the town leaders behind peaceful desegregation. they worked very hard, knowing it was coming through the winter of 1963 into the spring, they did things like make sure there were no loose objects on campus that can be used as weapons. they moved all the bricks out of here. wallace wanted a peaceful desegregation. he plans to bring in every member of law enforcement across the state that he could. but tuscaloosa police department could muster maybe 35 officers, the university, maybe a dozen. he brought in hundreds of state troopers, prison guards, for

awarded for battling the ku klux klan at bell -- at risk danger, commented in the conviction of over cookbooks klansman and an antiterrorism in their community. carter wrote more than 100 editorials and news pieces, condemning the ku klux klan over the three-year. period. [applause] >> please welcome to journalists, a veteran news anchor and the vice president for diversity at national public radio and poynter institute's former dean. denise white and keep was -- keith woods. [applause] you.ank much of the pulitzer history that is to follow was created in the aftermath of brown versus the board of education, that held that separate was not equal and that public schools should be desegregated with deliberate speed. the final oxymoron was excuse for many to delay the inevitable. consider the story of miss lucy. the first black student to attend the university of alabama in 1956. the daughter of a sharecropper, she attended school in alabama and the all-black miles college. she and a friend were accepted into the university of alabama, until it was learned that they were black. naacp th

he led his newspaper on a crusade designed to bring the ku klux klan to justice.exposed members, and supported a lot to make it illegal to wear the mask in public. here is another great editor to read what hall wrote. >> mask wearing in public places is indefensible and must be outlawed. all good citizens we believe, must now realize that the mask in alabama is a source of unmitigated evil. it is a menace to life and limb, and a reproach to civilized society. concealed under hood and robe, men have stalked about in the night in alabama and cruelly assaulted helpless people. in other instances, intimidated and wronged citizens of this state. grover hall died in 1941 at the age of 53, a passing that was noted and mourned by many journalists and citizens of alabama and the south, for standing almost alone against the forces of corruption and oppression in his state. grover cleveland hall senior was awarded the 1928 pulitzer prize for editorial writing. [applause] >> a vision of what life was like in small southern towns during the depression, has been shaped in power

saw athe 1920's resurgence of terrorism by the ku klux klan.several occasion, the pulitzer board awarded prizes to newspapers that investigated the ku klux klan and spoke against them. in 1928, the pull of -- pulitzer prize will go to grover cleveland hall senior, editor of the montgomery advertiser. publicklux klan included officials, politicians, law enforcement officers and both the united states senators from the state of alabama. often there was silence from the pulpit and from the press. the exception was grover hall senior peer in july of 1927, he became outraged at the flogging of a young black man at a rural church. he led his newspaper on a crusade designed to bring the klansmen to justice. he exposed the members and work to limit their activities and supported a law to make it even legal to wear the mask in public -- illegal to make -- to wear the mask in public. we read what paul wrote in an editorial entitled "unmasked." >> mask wearing in public places is indefensible and must be outlawed. all good citizens we believe must now rea

i'm the widz awiz art imperial wiz ar of the ku klux klan. >> yes, sir.or meeting with me. >> okay. >> klan historically, as you know has been a group associated with violence. >> i'm not associated with slielence. >> i know, but i'm saying historically. >> we have to look at the klan in the 21st century. >> don't you think that by wearing the same robes it's hard to separate those two different klans? >> i have an opportunity to wear a klansman robe. why? because i am right and i believe in the rituals and the beliefs of the ku klux klan. i was raised that way. this will always be klan regalia. no ifs ands or buts about it. >> i asked how this meeting came about and here's what he said. >> as a black man in america i have always been curious about the klan. i've done a lot of research and watched a lot of documentaries and i wasn't surprised by the thinges he said, i was just aware of the moment. it felt different than reading about it in a book or seeing it in a movie. as for the klan groups in the country and the producers reached out to a lot of them

and if i died because i went to a ku klux klan, like the question everyone would ask is, "but what wasm thinking about my family. my thought was like if i go hang up on the with the klan, that's a good idea to get people to watch the show. if die, that show is a hit. my family is rich forever. you know what i'm saying in. >> trevor: really? ( applause ) >> i'm thinking aboutif about m. i'm thinking about my kids. i have to get them this college and stuff. >stuff. >> trevpr:the kids are going to be like i'm glad i'm in college. "do you have a student loan?" "no, my father died." it is on cnn as well. >> it is. >> trevor: it's technically a comedy show. it is a come dee show. so basically, cnn has gone we're done with the unintentional comedy, we're going with the real-- is that what happened here? >> no comment. >> trevor: you know where the bread is. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. got anything to say about comedy central? >> trevor: it's a wonderful place to work. i mean, that's the-- that's the weird thing about the news and the world. people will go "the daily show." and the news people are li

the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today, the ku klux klan forever. so that which is part of the men who wrote it, his speech was a klansman in fact. not wallace was using the race issue to his own and. he knew the university was going to be desegregated. it was just a matter of time. frank rose made it happen peacefully. he did the first by going to the students. he went to every student leader and he didn't say please help me. he said this is how you going to help me. he got them on board. then he went to the faculty. he of the faculty in november of 1960 to say that it would be compared to keep the university of alabama open, that we would have to do this peacefully. what they were afraid of was what happened at ole miss in october 1962 when james meredith registered and 26 marshals were shot, what happened here. no one wanted that. certainly not the town fathers and that's where frank rose went next. he got the town leaders time peaceful desegregation. then they began working for you. knowing that it was coming through the winter of 1963 into the

amy: jake tapper did say, i am talking about the ku klux klan. let me ask -- >> no, no, it was another group that said that they had endorsed -- anyway, i think that was an error of donald trump. again, i think as he matures, he will be much better prepared for questions that come out of that nature. i'm sure he probably wishes that he had just immediately answered in differently because i do not see him as a prejudice person or a person that doesn't like certain groups. i just think that that was for his a low point answering. amy: let me go to another state senator here in new mexico, crossed the aisle and across the table from you, jerry ortiz y pino. your response to these comments of donald trump, the hesitation to disavow theklan. we've seen from donald trump throughout this campaign has been an incredible ability to say outrageous things and to get more popular support as a result of it. unfortunately, he is able to tap a vein within the voting public that just frightens me for the future. the kind of debates that bernie sanders and hillar

because i'm white and i believe in the ideas and rituals of the ku klux klan.r buts about it. >> in 2016. >> yeah. yeah. >> i'm not surprised either. i grew up in louisiana. >> black people are not surprised. the response is, are you crazy? the white people's response is, i didn't know there was still a ku klux klan. we have evidence we can point to the show. >> you're big, bad, bold. if you're so proud, why not show your face? >> it is funny that the white pride comes at the expense of i don't want anybody to know. i got a job. i can't let people at the office know. i got an e-mail from one that said, please don't show my face because i don't want my son to have a problem getting a job. >> there was this poll done by kaiser and others that people feel racism is worse now since the president took office. where do you think that comes from? do you believe it is true and where does it come from? >> i think we know more about racism now because of social media and cell phones. as many people said, the best recruiting tool for the klan is a black president. they fe

i was like i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan.

that quote is taken from the ku klux klan oath, the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today, the ku klux klan forever. but wallace was using the race issue to his own ends. he knew the university was going to be desegregated, it was just a matter of time. frank rose, the president, made it happen peacefully. and he did that fist by going to the students -- first by going to the students. he went to every student leader, and he didn't say please help me, he said this is how you're going to help me. and he got them onboard. then he went to the faculty in 1962 and say it would be imperative to keep the university of alabama open, that we would have to do this peacefully. what they were afraid of was what happened at ole miss in october of 1962 when james meredith registered, and 26 marshals were shot would happen here, and no one wanted that. certainly not the town fathers, and that's where frank rose went next. he got the town leaders behind peaceful desegregation. and then they began working for it. they worked very hard. knowing that it was coming through the winter of 1963 into

i think when you're asked a question and you are reject dean the ku klux klan, that is not a dog whistle. there is one answer to that based on human decency and that is to reject them out of hand immediately and the fact that he didn't and that interview has raised eyebrows. >> there's a few things right the relegated. overt racism. that sort of status will be reserved for really awful thing. doesn't attribute to every little thing. donald trump rasmus mentioning is a little bit of prescription and the problem in this case. he is sometimes off the cuff and politically incorrect. users are left to say you are this or that any cap the discussion anymore. he's an interesting dichotomy on the subject. >> host: what is your relationship? how did you get together to write the book? >> guest: we are extremely close friends. we have the way back in the day years of go by a well-known booktv mainstay and he suggested i was moving to d.c. briefly. she was working at that point that you guys should hang out and we headed off and we decided we found ourselves having conversations frequently about th

think when you asked a question on national television about whether or not you are rejecting the ku klux klan and well no white supremacist, that's not a dog whistle, there's one correct answer to that. based on just a basic human decency and that is to reject them out of hand immediately and clearly. the fact that he didn't in that interview raised eyebrows for a lot of people. what we have argued is there's overt racism. so what we want to do is say that that status should be reserved for really awful and important things. not redistributed to every little thing. so i think as he was mentioning his a little bit of the problem in this case. he is sometimes off-the-cuff cough and politically incorrect. he he also uses the tactics of the left to say year this or year that, he's an interesting dichotomy on the subject. >> what is your relationship, how did you get together to write this book. >> we are extremely close friends. we were hooked up way back in the day used to go by a well-known tv mainstay. he suggested, she was working here already at that point. he said that we should hang o

and the ku klux klan, they're all attacking senator kennedy as a catholic, that he shouldn't be presidentvocal and so wide, i felt he needed help. >> pastor herb meza believes he has the fix. >> i immediately invited john kennedy to come and speak. we needed to hear from him. >> meza's plan is almost holy in its simplicity. >> the offer was to have kennedy come and address a group of protestant ministers numbering about 400 in the houston area. kennedy agreed to do it. >> when meza's congregation hear that kennedy's coming, all hell breaks loose. >> i remember an elderly lady from new orleans who wrote to me and said, "i'm 65 years old. i've been teaching sunday school for 20 years. i hope your daughter marries a nigger." and that was the kind of climate we were in. >> may i call this special meeting of the association of ministers of greater houston to order. let us stand for prayer. >> america tunes in to see the debate live. >> god be merciful unto us and bless us. >> tonight the men of god are not men of peace. >> senator kennedy sat next to me, and he said, reverend, how are things d

i was like, i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan.nk they'd actually let me do it. you know what i mean? i was just trying to be edgy and get the job. and i thought we'd negotiate down to like the rodeo. [ laughter ] you know what i mean?

he says the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today and the ku klux klan forever.allace was using the race issue through his own end. he knew what was going to be desegregated, it was just a matter of time. he went to the students, he went to every student leader and he did not say please help me, he said this is how you are going to help me and he got them on board. then, he went to the faculty in the faculty in november of 1962 -- they were afraid of what happened to all miss -- ole miss in 19 622. -- 1962. he got the town leaders behind peaceful desegregation. they worked very hard, knowing it was coming through the winter of 1963 into the spring, they did things like make sure there were no loose objects on campus that can be used as weapons. they moved all the bricks out of here. wallace wanted a peaceful desegregation. he plans to bring in every member of law enforcement across the state that he could. but tuscaloosa police department could muster maybe 35 officers, the university, maybe a dozen. he brought in hundreds of state troopers, prison guards, forest

and the ku klux klan, they're all attacking senator kennedy as a catholic that he shouldn't be presidentso vocal and so wide, i felt he needed help. >> pastor herb meza believes he has the fix. >> i immediately invited john kennedy to come and speak. we needed to hear from him. >> meza's plan is almost holy in its simplicity. >> the offer was to have kennedy come and address a group of protestant ministers numbering about 400 in the houston area. kennedy agreed to do it. >> when meza's congregation hear that kennedy's coming, all hell breaks loose. >> i remember an elderly lady from new orleans who wrote to me and said, i'm 65 years old. i've been teaching sunday school for 20 years. i hope your daughter marries a nigger. and that was the kind of climate we were in. >> may i call this special meeting of the association of ministers of greater houston to order. let us stand for prayer. >> america tunes in to see the debate live. >> god be merciful unto us and bless us. >> tonight the men of god are not men of peace. >> senator kennedy sat next to me, and he said, reverend, how are things

what i really meant was that trump is saying he was unaware that duke was connected to the ku klux klans talking and trying to pick up people to support him from that-- >> and saying that the party has the ku klux klan, you didn't talk about trump, you talked about the republican party. >> there's no question that i misspoke. but one thing is abundantly clear is that the klan will be voting for trump and there's so many different pieces that republicans are not proud of that belong to the democratic-- that belong to the republican party and let me make it abundantly clear, it wasn't that long ago that democrats the same way, felt the same way. we democrats had the ku klux klan, we had the dixie-crats and they've shifted from the democratic party and they vote republican. >> no, no, no. >> i misspoke in saying that that's not what the party stands for, but right now, we really don't know what the party stands for. >> that's fair enough and don't want anything to do with the ku klux klan or anything to do with them so that's fair enough, i appreciate that very much. but i think that trump

the ku klux klan rose during the reconstruction. some people know some of the particulars, they know that the promise of 40 acres and a mule was made and rescinded along the way, and the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the constitution appeared at some point in the process people sometimes know that the black codes tried to erase as much of the gains of emancipation as possible and reconstruction ended with a corrupt bargain in 1877 people think they know southern history stopped after reconstruction, except for a few episodes of particularly horrific violence until it was time for the 1960s and the textbook would give another chapter about the south. the cast of characters has remained much the same throughout several generations now. even as the revision has been changing the role of heroes and villains. reconstruction used to be considered a failure because it happened at all. and now it's considered a failure because it did not go far enough. all along we have in our minds, no matter what we think, the same pictures that came

multiple other people in the community also said the officers worked with the ku klux klan, a commonpractice in seven small-town's. bickham, who is african-american, served 37 years in angola state penitentiary in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day. he won seven stays of execution but the louisiana governors repeatedly denied him clemency until under pressure, he was released in 1996. this is moreese bickham speaking on "wawake-up call" when the cohost and i interviewed him in 1996. >> i know how it feels now to be free. when i was flying over the west coast going to oakland, i looked down at the northern lights of the black stars up in heaven. i said to him i always been looking up and see the stars. i know heaven is at that weight will step but, lord, is that heaven down there? amy: that was moreese bickham speaking only days after he was free. it was martin luther king day when we spoke to him onwbai. he died sunday in california. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. with the wisconsin primar

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the democratic party was the party of secession and s segregation, and every single member of the ku klux klan was a member of the democratic party. >> so going into the election, nixon had every reason to believe that he would have lots of black support. >> just weeks before the election, martin luther king is arrested. he and 50 other african-americans had entered a whites only restaurant. >> the police were called. they received to move, and they were all put in jail, including king. it got even worse when he was transferred in the middle of the night to a state penitentiary in rural georgia. >> and he is a risk there. his wife is afraid that he is going to be killed. >> this is nixon's golden opportunity to rescue dr. king and scoop the black vote. this c. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, mary's data could be under attack. with the help of the at&t network, a network that senses and mitigates cyber threats, their critical data is safer than ever. giving them the agility to be open & secure. because no one knows & like at&

candidate who takes two days to wink wink, remember to disavow an association with david duke of ku kluxing you how much is still there. >> stephen: well, the new documentary is jackie robinson. (applause) it's about jackie robinson who was the first african-american baseball player in the white a major leagues. >> that's right. >> stephen: it was already the neglect ro leagues. why is jackie robinson's story an important one to tell. >> this film that we just finished t say small fim, two part, four hour, not the big long one, it will be out monday and tuesday i made with sarah burns and david mcma hon and they desearch equal credit. they are coproducers and codirectors. we treated him in our 1994 baseball series and it was an important part of that series. but jackie robinson, like george washington, abraham lincoln is smothered in mythology. we thought it might be possible to liberate him from the sentimentality that attach and try to free him because what jackie has to teach us now is almost what is going on. the bible say there is nothing new under the sun. that means human nature d

but we would be naive to think that the ku klux klan could have been prevented from the terrors, or that there would have been a significant enough military presence in the south to control things. we can continue to play the hypothetical game about possibilities, disenfranchise the former confederates to prevent them from gaining political power as quickly as they did. i was astonished in researching this book -- i didn't know this, but i should have -- alexander stevens is reelected by georgia in december of 1865 to congress. think about that. the vice president of the confederacy is reelected. of course, congress refuses to see any representatives under johnson's reconstruction plan, which leaned a little to lincoln's. you mentioned lyman trumbull, it is also congress's refusal to see representatives in february that led us on this path. i believe the embracement of civil rights, as indicated in the last speech, would continue. >> was black suffrage addressed in any of the reconstructed state constitutions? prof. masur: in louisiana, it was left to the legislature to decide, which mea

if you're a black person in america and you want to make yourself uncomfortable, go talk to the ku kluxt but they're still out there and during obama's administration, their numbers have increased. >> so what did you find that you didn't expect? >> i guess i found that if you can sit down with somebody long enough and talk to somebody long enough, sometimes, not all the til sometimes, even if you disagree completely philosophically, you can understand their humanity. it didn't happen with all of them but i think some of them might have gone home and say i think i might like a black guy now. >> that should be a t-shirt. w. kamau bell. don't miss "the united shades of america" premiere sunday night at 10 p.m. eastern. i'm going to take a bit of license and call for my favorite prince song, christi, we have the video, prince's "adore." i think it is by far the best prince song, although i'm sure we would have a bit of a conversation out here with the more than hundred fans that have come here. what's yours? >> mine is still "let's go crazy." it's one of those that when you hear it, you can

you can be a ku klux klan member from mississippi or gangbanger from california, but put two of those guys in a room with free ice cream they are both going to take it. who is too racist for ice cream or too gangster for ice cream? we are taught we are so different but we have so much in common. and another thing, something i live by, the ethiopian proverb that reads, when spot is united they can take down a lighting. i don't care what will trickle down into these communities. i think about how we as individuals can use our power to make real change. my thing is literacy. i work with reading programs, i help other writers get book deals, i helped a whole lot of other writers get their work published in different places. that is my job. i have another friend that does the same thing with financial literacy and nutrition. we are all figuring out what our passion is and we are working really really hard to achieve mastery and share no skills with other people. i want people to read this book and understand how strong we are as individuals and the things we can do because all of us have b

you were going on and on and on, talking about the size of his hands, the ku klux klan, shrugging it that's the timeline of trump coverage. if you literally wrote out a timeline of the different donald trump stories and which replaced the one before it, they would almost all be controversies and negative stories. if that is the explanation for why he's doing so well, is that the media's fault or is the electorate behaving in a way they have to take responsibility? >> it didn't happen in a vacuum as you say. you heard bernie sanders say yesterday hillary clinton is not qualified to be president. today he clarified his statement. >> do you think secretary clinton is qualified to be president? >> does secretary believe i'm qualified to be president? >> why can't you just say yes? she has some of the first-rate resumÉ and she's one of the most qualified people who run. >> she has years of experience and she's extremely intelligence. >> do you think he went too far? >> he did go too far. you can fault hillary clinton for a lot things. he could have pointed to all the private corporation d

i mean, i'm tempted to say something snarky like i guess he hasn't been endorsed by any ku klux klan members lately. i guess that's one thing. >> what do you think? tweet me at smerconish. still to come, who are the front runners considered to be their running mates and who should they be thinking of. here's an early tweet. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you t-mobile does data differently. so it can do more for your business. when work takes you across the globe, your unlimited data travels with you to 140 plus countries and destinations at no extra charge. and that's not all. because with t-mobile there's no overages. ever. switch your business to t-mobile at work. and get four lines. with 10gb of 4g lte data each for just $35 per line. nobody does business data like t-mobile. came out today thousands of people to run the race for retirement. so we asked them... ar

>> i'm going to let you know i'm wizard of the international keystone knights of the ku klux klan. >>to separate? >> catch the first episode in the series in a few hours "united shades of america" with w. kamau bell on cnn. >> thank you for sharing your time with us. >> "inside politics" with john king starts right now. >>> donald trump says not to worry. >> at some point i'm going to be so presidential that you people will be so bored. >> reporter: but his new campaign manager tries to

>> i'm going to let you know i'm wizard of the international keystone knights of the ku klux klan. >> reporter: don't you think it's hard to separate? >> catch the first episode in the series in a few hours "united shades of america" with w. kamau bell on cnn. >> thank you for sharing your time with us. >> "inside politics" with john king starts right now. >>> donald trump says not to worry. >> at some point i'm going to be so presidential that you people will be so bored. >> reporter: but his new campaign manager tries to explain away suggesting trump is just acting. >> nowhere was he talking about there being a different donald trump. >> reporter: the gop reality's show next big stage could be a chaotic convention. >> you need a majority. close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. >> reporter: and the knockout punch for hillary clinton. >> tuesday is a great opportunity to start us on the path to the white house. >> reporter: five-state supertuesday is a defining test for bernie sanders. "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. welcome to "

which ranged from actually creating a coloring book which portrayed barry goldwater in robes of the ku klux klan for children. to writing hundreds of letters to dear abby and ann landers, claiming to be from americans having nervous breakdowns at the thought of a barry goldwater presidency, said e howard hunt who at that time was an active cia agent to infiltrate the goldwater campaign and bring back statements of policy statements that goldwater was about to release, the white house knew about things he said before he said them, and there are some stories that they actually bugged goldwater's campaign, not sure if that is true or not but that is the story you here. what happened was, the press had not gotten hold of it, no one had found out about it but people inside politics knew about it. when you jump ahead to 1972 and have richard nixon in a close election against kennedy, and after watergate when he resigned he says as far as i was concerned it was just a routine political bugging and people felt he was being disingenuous but in fact it was a routine political bugging and he was doing

when donald was doing an interview on cnn and asked about david duke, former grand wizard of the ku kluxn supporting him and donald refused to denounce the kkk in that interview and jonah said, listen, that's a liberal who thinks, conservatives don't want me to denounce the plan. anyone who's conservative is fine with saying the klan is evil, bigoted, it's wrong, it has no place in society and if you're speaks from poor conviction, you know that because you're speaking from the heart. >> in defense of mr. trump, he had denounced it online and at a press conference the previous friday and went on to do it again. i want to ask you just to follow up because you don't favor a rape or incest exception to abortion and to people, this may be a problem getting behind president ted cruz. they think you may be too far right on social issues. >> well, listen, let's talk -- you know, when it comes to rape, i've spent a lot of years in law enforcement. i was the solicitor general in the state of texas and i have handled cases with horrific cases of rape, of people who committed child rain, people --