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we are talk with bond king jeffrey gundlach. do you think there is a recession coming the next few months? >> there is basically two or three indicators that investors should look at that are all fail safe. one is the leading economic indicators which year over year are going below zero and tends to be incredibly consistent with recession. it's not strong, but it's not close to zero. one thing we started focusing on is the unemployment rate. if you take the unemployment rate and compare it to its 12-month moving average. you never get a rescission without the unemployment rate being above its average. there is false signals in that indicator. it sometimes falsely signals recession. but you never get a recession without it crossing over. the good news is it's below its average. but the bad news is it will cross over before august of this year. anthony: so talking august there is a high likelihood? >> i don't know if i would go high likelihood. there is one indicator that never gives a false signal. the dat crossover point being t

bond guru jeffrey gundlach says negative rates are part of the problem. so what then is the solution. >> really trying to fight deflation with deflation which is sort of like trying to put out the fire in your house by pouring gasoline on it. not a good side. >> good morning. and welcome to "street signs." we did get a bit of good news across the markets. kicking off in the green. although we are seeing some weakness in the french market. this as investors can't to chemo an eye on oil. both wti and brent moving sharply up. moves of over a dollar as fighting in libya threatens to halt the flow of oil from the country. and this while a massive wild fire in canada has disrupted its oil production. that wild fire has forces 80,000 people to flee their homes. a state of emergency has been declared in the entire province of alberta. the moves to the up in the oil price helping oil majors here in europe. also looking at -- earnings this morning dropped 38% at rep sol. but the good news is that figure was better than expected. rel sol up in spain. the spanish oil

. >> well, jeffrey gundlach has it right when he suggested at sohn conference that apple is not as important to the market as it used to be. the stock is trading at $90, and you are talking about a technical breakdown in the face of a big balance sheet. i don't want to make the trade, because maybe it is less important and a stock that trends between $90 and $95 until josh points out, it figures out what is the next big product. >>> and this morning, donald trump wrapping up a meeting with house speaker paul ryan, and our chief nbc correspondent john harwood has the details. >> scott, this meeting went as well as republicans could have hop hoped. clearly, paul ryan has disagreements with donald trump, and he did not support him saying that he would not fake unity, but he pronounced ate difference of ideas with more in common, and looking to get the ticket together for the fall. this is paul ryan for the news conference. >> i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump to d today. i do believe that we are now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified to bridge the g gaps and dif

last week, jeffrey gundlach suggested, time to sell the utility index, for example. which has been the biggest winner of the year. >> on the other end of that, they sold chevron, which also has a big dividend, and that's because chevron was a buy two or three months ago. stock went up as crude oil went up, so they turned the position around. one of the other things that was interesting was apple, which was our number one holding for the last couple of years, and the number one traded stock every day. >> apple was the number one traded stock every day? >> not every day, but for the year. it's always going to be in the teen photo of top-traded stocks every day, but it's the number one traded stock for the year. number one held stock. >> is facebook benefiting from the outflows from apple? >> facebook did last month, joe, that's a great question. actually, facebook was a net buy last week, one of our top four buys for the month last month, as people sold apple, they rolled that into facebook. and that turned out to be -- >> apple's kind of like a mood ring already. it w

. >> joining me is jeffrey gundlach. thank you.ntioned we're going to get a ton of earnings here. we'll keep this focused in on that. let's start with what you basically said which is negative rates are causing deflation. am i going too far there? >> it's pretty obvious that negative interest rates are deflation. form of a tax on wealth but also outright deflation. if you have a hundred dollars and invest in a bond and you get 98 back at tend of five years, that is deflation. so it's not a good idea. >> it echoes what adam fisher told us previously as well. which you know what, it turns out there is a difference between having -- >> ever since the rates went negative in europe, the dollar has weakened and the euro has strengthened. same in japan. the euro stock market has underperformed the u.s. since they went negative. the japanese stock market has been terrible since they went negative. so one of these days the policy makers are going to realize that negative rates are a problem. but if positive rates are a problem and negative

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speakers include larry robbins, jeffrey gundlach and more.esented in partnership with cnbc and raises money to fight pediatric cancer. joining us is kate kelly to break it all down. what's going to happen today? >> we have a lineup, of a dozen heavy hitters and a half a dozen in the next wave conference. david einhorn, always a compelling presenter armed with scores of pithy slides and often harsh critiques of companies. greenlight had an awful 2015 but it now one of of the few hedge funds showing a huge upside. 3% to date. he announced he's bullish on natural gas and the web reviewer yelp. his pick last year a short basket of oil drillers. notably pioneer natural resources aka the mother fraccer, did well. jeff gundlach is equally unvarnished on stage. full of opinions. his presentation comes at a time when the bond market should be poised for better returns and a higher interest rate environment if you get away from energy and certain municipal credits. he was prescient last year with his advice to avoid junk bonds. another player to watch.

and jeffrey gundlach telling an investor web cast he sees some hawkish rebellion showing up.calls yellen the biggest dove. 50% chance of only one more rate hike this year. he can see the s&p going to 1600. on today's economic agenda couple of things coming up. april retail sales and the producer pricing index both out. sales expected to rebound after a decline in march. then we're going to get may consumer sentiment and march business innervate ris. >> retailers have had some problems this week. >> i heard. >> you missed a lot here. did you see some of the people we had on this week? >> i heard. >> your buddy sidney blumenthal was on. >> i heard i heard -- he described me as his little friend. >> like almost a little marco. i did one liberal --. >> viewers so kind. they tweet me. -- i heard. >> [ inaudible ]. >> big week. >> guy that jamie called. >> a jerk. >> right. >> is jerk a word? it's half of a word isn't it? >> i said rim job radar when they did that. [ drum roll ] >> and he turns red. i don't turn red. >> announcer: this awkward momentum has been brought to you by jo