jodi hauptman is joining me, curator of drawings and prints. welcome. >> pleasure to be back. >> rose: put degas in the great context of art in the 20th and 2 is century. >> he is as you said known as the great chronicler of the bllet, and that's what we associate him with, but he was also really wildly experimental, relentlessly experimental and that's what the exhibition seeks to show, the way he defied conversion, reached for -- convention, reached for something new. that's where his influence is on art of the 20th century and art of today. >> rose: this is the first monographic exhibition. >> that's right, at the museum of art. >> rose: at the museum of art. which is interesting because we have some really wonderful, important works by the artists, but no other curator had really taken it on. we were always thinking about who among the foundational figures for the collection we should look at again, bring to the attention of our visitors and kind of think about the relationship between the 1880 when we began and contemporary art. so degas s