bush, karl rove.ump. ed rollins. i never saw you on the set together. >> thank you. an honor to be with this guy. >> mutuel. i'm not surprised she turned it down. are you surprised? >> in a way i am. this shows a lack of confidence which is everything -- in everything she says and does. she is winning but having a debate with bernie would not keep her from receiving the nomination and could help in the process of healing. but she's not a confident candidate. she knows she's getting worse. >> she's got the win she doesn't need it. she moves more to the left which is going to kill her with independents. >> the only thing i -- i agree with karl. i think she needs momentum going into the convention. she has a more popular candidate running against her. this is an opportunity to talk to five or ten million people. i would have taken it if were here. >> on the same poll that donald trump was trailing by 11 points, he's now in a three-point lead over hillary clinton. this within two months. karl, how do you

karl rove, good to see you. >> thanks, trish.rish: coming up, everyone, democrats pretty much in chaos. you saw a new "fox news poll" out showing hillary clinton is more disliked by voters than donald trump. this as democrats and some major, mainstream media players turn on bernie. hey, why should he get out? he is still winning here. we'll debate it with the political all-stars. trish: bad news for hillary clinton. according new poll more people disliker than they do donald trump. seems mainstream media may be turning on bernie sanders the flip side of this, look at this headline in the "new york times" today. bernie sanders willing to harm hillary clinton in the homestretch. from "the washington post." quote, a fractured democratic party threatens clinton's chances against trump. all this after the head of the democratic party blasted bernie sanders for not more forcefully condemning violence at last week's democratic nevada convention. are democrats souring on bernie? do they need to? we have democratic strategist julie rogins

>> my joke is karl marx, i say to my libertarian friends, karl marx was the greatest social scientist of the 19th century without compare. they get mad at me and i turn to my left-wing friends, and i say he was wrong about almost everything. they get mad which is why i don't have any friends. >> you do here. >> thank you. i suppose you could say the questions marks asked are the important ones. is there a pattern to history? are there stages of history as adam smith was one of the only ones, karl marx took it further. is our ideas independent of material conditions or the superstructure a mere consequence of material base and asked all these questions and got all the answers wrong but he asked the questions in a serious way so i admire karl marx in a lot of ways. i have come to admire other people too but as a kid i was a marxist. because i was a socialist, i was a joan baez socialist, play the guitar and sang the labor songs. i know more left-wing songs than most of my left-wing friends. what is irritating is there are no good libertarian songs. >> it was karl marx -- >> it was -- th

own party and the speaker of the house paul ryan saying as of now he cannot endorse him, abc's jon karl has the latest. he's in charleston, west virginia, where trump held a rally. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, donald trump seemed to be on top of the world here at his first raul lil' since vanquishing his last republican rivals but has a long way to go to unify the republican party. >> put it on, right? thank you, everybody. that is great. my hair look okay? got a little spray. >> reporter: overnight donald trump took on hillary clinton in coal country.

abc's jon karl asked him. >> are you endorsing donald trump? if you're not, what is holding you back? and do you really have a choice? >> the process of unifying the republican party, which just finished a primary about a week ago, perhaps one of the most divisive primaries in memory, takes some time. >> reporter: the trump motorcade now under way, headed to his next meeting, on schedule. trump not stopping to talk to all the cameras. in fact, all day, not a word from the outspoken billionaire. just this thumb's up and tweets. ryan and the republican leadership. things working out really well." and ryan himself seeming to acknowledge the irony of it all, tweeting a picture with schoolchildren, calling this his most important meeting of the day. and david, as for hillary clinton tonight, she's hitting trump, saying he's playing fast and loose when it comes to the muslim ban and tweeting, he's trying to back pedal, don't let him. >> tom llamas tonight. tom, thank you. let's get right to jon karl. and paul ryan says this is only the beginning. no

there's no doubt about that. >> and jon karl with us live tonight from a trump rally in west virginia. and jon, just minutes ago, donald trump halgs now responded to paul ryan? >> reporter: david, i've never seen anything like it. in his response, donald trump says, "i'm not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can work together to come into an agreement about what is best for the american people. they have been treated so badly, it's about time for the politicians to put them first." so, the bottom line, you now have the two most high profile they aren't ready to support each other. >> jon karl with us again tonight. jon, thank you. >>> and there is also breaking news on the democratic side. hillary clinton's top aide, huma abedin, has been interviewed by the fbi as part of the inquiry tied to hillary clinton's private e-mail server. let's get to pierre thomas. what are we learning about that fbi interview and whether hillary clinton herself may be questioned? >> reporter: david, you're right. abedin is part of clinton's inner-most circle, something clinto

>> karl, how do you answer jay and chad, are they right or cot fiorina move help cruz?they're right and it could help cruz. i received an e-mail from ted, he said frankly indiana could be the deciding factor, he admitted to me it was absolutely pivotal -- >> i got that same e-mail -- >> wait a minute. he said if trump won indiana it could all be but over. >> right. >> so, look, this is not a strategic move, this was a tactical move. the primary was a night of good night for donald trump and what better pay way to stop people from indiana from focusing on that than naming your presidential running mate and spending a lot of time in indiana. it was a desperate move but it may have shut down a certain amount of the coverage of trump's primary win and spent a little more time on the pizazz of a vice presidential running mate. ronald reagan did this in 1976, desperate to overcome the advantage gerald to ford it at the convention. several weeks before the convention he names richard spiker. >> did it work? >> no, it didn't. >> kimberly, it wasn't the only moved, you had cruz

. >>> abc's jon karl takes a look at the state by state challenge. >> reporter: hillary clinton begins this with a significant advantage. the states in dark blue are states that have voted democratic in all of the last six presidential races. all she has to do is to hang on to those states and win the state of florida and she has the electoral votes to be elected president. what trump hopes to do to change that, win his home state of new york, neighboring pennsylvania anding perhaps even michigan. if he can do that he can change the dynamic and win. >> that's jon karl in washington. >>> a new development in the hillary clinton e-mail controversy. a federal judge ruled that hillary clinton may have to give a deposition. conservatives have filed a lawsuit under the disclosure of >>> north of border a raging wildfire has forced nearly 90,000 people to evacuate western canada main oil city. in ft. mcmurray. officials say all efforts to suppress the fire have failed. unseasonably hot and dry conditions are continuing to feed it. >>> temporary cease-fire has taken hold in the embattled city

gop strategist karl rove.nd fox news political analyst juan williams whose book "we the people" is just out. i don't have a book. i have nothing to sell today. we asked you for questions for the panel and we got a bunch -- mostly negative -- about cruz picking carly fiorina as his running mate at this point in the race. jay klein said an act of desperation from a dying campaign. chad tweeted this, desperate move. who picks a vice president before securing the nomination? really. karl, how do you answer jay and chad? are they right or could the fiorina move help cruz? >> they are right and it could help cruz. i received an e-mail this week from ted. he said indiana could be the deciding factor. he admitted there was, quote, absolutely pivotal and if -- >> i have the same e-mail. >> wait a minute. you mean it went to more than one person. he said if trump won indiana it could all be but over. >> right. >> this is not a strategist move. this was a tactical move. the primary was a good night for donald trump. what

bush karl rove goes "on the record." evening, karl. >> good to see. >> you how big is this endorsement. >> big. they had not backed trump in the primary they had other favorites because of concerns of statements he had made in the past. for the nra to come in so strongly behind him. the nra is a grass roots organization that has millions of ordinary americans who may be republican, may be democrat but they all love firearms and guns and hunting and mark manship. when they get wired up, they get wired up. and they are wired up about hillary clinton. >> will they go to vote? >> they do. they were a big part of george w. bush's victories in 2000 and 2004. everywhere you turned around, there was nra member, whether it was ohio or colorado or notified or ohio. manning the phone getting out the vote. everywhere you went there was nra bumper sticker on a car some place saying i'm for the second amendment. i vote. >> donald trump said that hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. is that a little strong? >> that's

bill: karl rove says he should tone it down. >> i think it's a risk. i think he's a loose cannon, and loose cannons tend to misfire. martha: is this day one of the general election matchup? and what will the next six months look like? bill: the entire town, 100,000 people, in the path of a wildfire that's not burning down. >> my home is completely gone. no lives lost which is what we have to concentrate on right now. zerowater and brita are not equal especially when it comes to reducing lead in your water. zerowater's five-stage filter is the only one certified by the nsf to reduce lead lead that conventional, two- stage filters may leave behind. so, if you want the purest-tasting water and the water filter that's proven to reduce lead look for zerowater. get more out of your water. martha: a state of emergency is declared in alberta, canada northeast of edmonton. authorities went door to door to get them out of harm's way. the flames have gutted 1,600 structuressen it's moving so fast they do believe it will wipe out this entire town. >> i don't think

abc's jonathan karl has the latest from the campaign trail. >> reporter: donald trump is finally locked in the republican nomiti but the most powerful republican in the land says he's not ready to endorse him. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. >> reporter: speaker paul ryan has expressed concerns about trump's controversial statements on muslims and on immigrants. his announcement came just after this trump tweet hit with a thud. happy cinco de mayo. the best taco bowls are made in trump tower grill. i love hispanics. according to our abc news/"washington post" poll, 81% of hispanics disapprove of trump. and within minutes of trump's taco bowl tweet, hillary clinton tweeted his own words back at him. i love hispanics! trump, 52 minutes ago. and then this video. >> we're going to have a deportation force, they have to go. >> reporter: trump is struggling to unite his own party. the last two republican presidents and the last two republican nominees are all skipping the convention. speaker ryan says it's trump's responsibility to bring republicans ge

you know these morons like karl rove. the guy is a. he still things, no, no karl rove still thinks that romney won. didn't romney win? romney got wiped out. he should have won that election. that was an election that should have been one and i backed him. i backed john mccain, a tough one to win but i backed mccain at that romney, he should have won and he didn't win. we will do it ourselves, folks. we are going to win. [applause] we are going to win. so a lot of things happen. i talked about trade and i talked about illegal immigration and you have the killing of -- killed and shot in san francisco and you had jamil in california. his father became a great friend of mine. that was in san francisco and his father became -- the los angeles area, california and he was killed. his father is a great guy. his son was in -- an illegal immigrant, shot through the phase three or four times for doing nothing. we are going to build a wall. and then you had the incredible veteran, 65-year-old woman raped, and killed in california and this is all

karl rove and the top ceo. you don't want to miss a moment of it. back right here.ack. i maria bartiromo. monday, may 2nd. cap stirs 8:00 a.m. on the east coast and the pressure indiana down to the wire. events across the state item for every last vote. donald trump confident he will be the for the republican party. >> crews cannot win. if that no highway. it's got nothing. >> all across this country millions of americans right now are praying for you. you're been lifted up in prayer right now. maria: will take you live to indiana. more trouble for the state of michigan. nearly every detroit public school closed today after the teachers union called for a stick out. the latest issue coming out. this years olympics, white team u.s.a. is getting knocked on twitter. countdown to the kentucky derby. everything you need to know ahead of the race for the roses turn into markets this morning that the nikkei average was down 3% of the japanese yen continues to surge against the dollar. markets in china and hong kong closed. economic data this morning dictating markets in eu

let's get right to jon karl. because jon, we showed the poll at the top there. hillary clinton up by 13 points over trump. but you're right there at the map. and listen, the trump team just wiped out 16 other republicans, he sees openings against clinton. >> reporter: they sure do, david. but make no mistake, hillary clinton begins this with a significant advantage. take a look at the map. the states in dark blue are states that have voted democratic in all of the last six presidential races. all she has to do is to hang onto those states and win the state of florida and she has the electoral votes to be elected president. what trump hopes to do to change that is to win his home state of new york, neighboring pennsylvania, perhaps even michigan. if he can do that, he can change the dynamic and he can win. >> all right, how long until november? jon karl, thank you. >>> we're going to move on tonight, to other news at this hour. and to a horrific scene playing out tonight. an entire city evacuated. as a raging wildfire now moves in, devastating the heart of canada

bush, karl rove is here. carl welcome, what do you make of these edits? i want to be clear, the white house said there was just a technical difficulty, otherwise. they didn't actually he had it that piece. technical difficult and then did eventually put the entirety of those comments on line with a written transcript. but the first pass seems questionable to many. your take? >> well, i don't want to call them liars, so let's accept that it's ironic though because this is exactly what the administration will not say, the words that, that it will not pass lips of the president. deirdre: quite a time for the mic to drop, right? >> maybe it is just a coincidence but these coincidences seem to have a way happening with this administration. deirdre: seems indeed. i want to ask you, if you don't mind about something a little closer to home. senator cruz back on capitol hill the first time today sense he left the race. he spoke with reporters moments ago. here's that comment. >> listen, we have suspended the campaign. we have suspended campaign because i can see

i was disappointed i hoped for better. >> karl you are forced by the president to go each year.he pressship but that is another story. >> why do presidents good we to such trouble to kill? >> there are 3,pawn who by ink by the barrel and videotape and you better perform well or you will be getting it on every newspaper and network and we will talk about your performance the president did best when he was making fun of himself and did worse when he spent way too much time taking everyone of the adversaries in the media and politics. >> he did not do much about the media. thank you, panel. next, personal thoughts. looking back on 20 years of fox news >>> you made news in australia when you ruled you ruled out running for office in 2012 and 2016. why? why? >> i love what i a doing. >> are you saying you done? olit office? >> i am. i am very happy doing what i'm doing. i am not in any way interested in or pursuing anything in le elected office. zulu-6-9er... clear for take off. roger that! see ya! we are outta here! woo! when you're living with diabetes. steady is exciting. oh this

karl rove, joe trippi, thank you both .ou want to read more from carl you can check out his weekly editorialsonline. go to foxnews.com and check the opinion tab. heather: -statesdiplomacy came taking place .. negotiators restore a partial cease-fire or is that simply too late smart plus, ted cruz slamming the media as he blames reporters for his campaign. our media panel will take a closer look when we come back. >> ♪ approaching medicare eligibility? you may think you can put off checking out your medicare options until you're sixty-five, but now is a good time to get the ball rolling. keep in mind, medicare only covers about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is up to you. that's where aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company come in. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they could help pay some of what medicare doesn't, saving you in out-of-pocket medical costs. you've learned that taking informed steps along the way really makes a differen

here's jonathan karl. >> reporter: tonight in ne mystified about that snub from speaker of the house paul ryan. >> paul ryan, i don't know what ultimate victory but he was colaon so we reporter: ryan, the most >> he also inherited something very special. that's very special to a lot of us. this is the party of lincoln, of reagan, of jack kemp. >> reporter: trump shot back on twitter. "wrong, i didn't inherit it. i won it with millions of voters." trump and ryan today agreed to meet in person next week. caught in the middle, republican party chairman reince priebus, who found himself defending trump's widely-derided tweet eating a taco bowl and declaring, "i love hispanics." >> he's trying. [ laughter ] and -- honestly, he's trying.r they won't support trump. the it states of america. >> the president saying it's not a reality show. jon, you've learned that paul ryan and donald trump will sit down in washington next we? >> reporter: they'll meet here in washington next thursday. but i would not expect a quick breakthrough. in fact, a source close to ryan does not rule out supporting a

karl rove writing in foxnews.com monday. heather: happening now, president obama on his way home after a landmark visit to vietnam and japan. just hours ago, he became the first sitting us president to visit hiroshima where the us dropped an atomic bomb 71 years ago , leading to japan's surrender in world war ii. the president laid a week to honor the victims and spoke with survivors. leyland vendors is following, joins us now live from the white house with mort. reporter: the president did not use the word i apologize when talking about harry truman's decision to drop the two atomic bombs on japan but his critics say his message and tone of his visit was all the same. he was the first us president to visit the roe shema where hundred 40,000 people were killed, that fateful day in august.>> we stand here in the middle of this city and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell. we force ourselves to feel the dread of children confused by what they see. we listen to a silent prayer. reporter: in the past, the preside

jon karl at the white house. what do we know about the gunman? >> reporter: they have not released his name yet but they are searching a car a couple blocks from here. they believe may be lirnlged to linked to him and the suspect is in a nearby hospital in critical condition. >> jon, thanks. >>> we turn to another breaking headline at this hour. this one involving the crash of the passenger jet egyptair 804. tonight there are now reports there might have been smoke and a fire on board in the moments before that jet vanished from radar. the red eye flight from paris to cairo disappearing from radar about 175 miles off the coast of egypt. david kerley this evening on the signal sent moments before the jet went down. >> reporter: this jetliner apparently sent data before disappearing. suggesting there was smoke, and possibly fire in the all important equipment compartment. the airbus a-320 had a data transmission system know as acars which sent signals of "smoke in the lavatory," and "avionics smoke," which would be the equipment bay below the forwa

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here's abc's jonathan karl, on the campaign trail. >> reporter: hillary clinton today blasted donald trump, calling his fund-raiser for veterans a stunt. >> he's bragged for months about raising $6 million for veterans and donating a million dollars himself. but it took a reporter to shame him into actually making his contribution and getting the money to veterans. >> reporter: clinton is fighting a two-front war. out in california, bernie sanders is riding a wave of momentum. sanders is drawing huge crowds. today, in santa cruz. >> if we win here in the largest senate our country, we're going to go marching into the democratic convention with incredible momentum, and we will march out with the democratic nomination. >> reporter: the reality? sanders could win in california, but has very little chance of actually winning the nomination. clinton has built up a huge delegate lead. today, jerry brown, california's popular governor, endorsed clinton in a letter saying, quote, clinton's lead is insurmountable. a point echoed by california's senior senator, a clinton supporter, who suggest

. >> directly ahead, karl rove, will he vote for trump?then some possible misdirection in politics from a progressive it v guy on cnn. those reports after these messages as the factor continues all across the u.s.a. and all around the world. if you've gone to extremes to escape your nasal allergies. try clarispray. new, from the makers of claritin. with the #1 prescribed ingredient. and nothing is more effective at relieving your sneezing, runny nose and nasal congestion. return to the world with clarispray. shoshow me more like this.e. show me "previously watched." what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. >>> campaign 2016 segment tent, recent polling shows a divide in the general election. cnn says hillary is well ahead. rasmussen shows trump in the lead. we believe those polls are obsolete because it's a new race trump vs. clinton. here to handicap it, karl rove. first of all, you said you may not vote for trump. are you changing your mind now? >> i have sa

different from karl rove's. president bush's brain and served as his political adviser. she has three formal job titles including senior adviser. but perhaps the most important part of her job description is the role that doesn't get listed, being first friend. >> you are ate senior adviser to the president. but you are also his best friend. i can't think of another example in a white house where there has been that kind of relationship since bobby kennedy and president kennedy. it is a very unusual role? >> it is. >> doesn't that create a conflict? >> no, not at all. not at all. it enables me to do my job really well. everybody comes to the table with different strengths and different perspectives. and so the fact that i have known the president, the first lady for 25 years. gives me a perspective that maybe others don't have. >> reporter: and a relationship that none of his other other advisers has either. she is probably the only white house aide who calls the president barack when they're off the clock. she

you weren't just harry, you were harry karl.ry, military is out in force for trump by the polls. when you're looking at hillary and you're looking at donald, where are you coming down now? >> as we spoke earlier, greg, listen, by the way, these polls, they're bs. i've never seen so many people get it so wrong so often in such a big way. whatever. that doesn't mean anything. here's the thing. my bar is so low right now to who could be -- i just want a president as a green beret, a president who doesn't dislike our country, doesn't treat us with disdain. i would like a president who doesn't sell uranium to the russians. other than that -- if you want to protect your golf course from global warming, okay. >> with that low bar i could be president. although, no way. i did sell uranium to the russians back in 1995. >> you're done. >> paul, i don't know where you sit politically, but what do you think trump needs to do at this point? he's got a lot of hard core fans but then a lot of people upset with him. is there anything he should

i know karl's name was in there, but i had no dealings with karl. >> mr. chairman, i yield back. >> i now recognize the gentleman from north carolina, mr. meadows, for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. rubin, let me come to you, because as these decisions continue to get made with regards to the validity of the iran deal, as we would call it, decisions by members of congress hinge on very small, sometimes often minute pieces of information where they can justify going one way or another. do you believe that some of the statements by mr. rhodes was a factor at all in some of the members of congress casting their vote one way or another? >> yes, and i can give you examples, if you would like. >> please. >> well, first of all, when it comes to verification, according to u.s. law incumbent with the corker/cardin compromise, all agreements are supposed to be presented to congress. now it emerges that there were secret side agreements with the iaea. one of these secret side agreements that comes into play with regard to verification is that the state

karl rove goes on the record. nice to see you. >> get to see you. >> governor jeb bush says he's not voting for trump. lindsey graham says he's not voting for trump. have you made up your mind whether you're voting for trump? >> i'm watching the convention. we've got plenty of time for everybody. i'm not voting for a democrat. and we all have plenty of time. donald trump endorsed john mccain in september 17th i believe of 2008. so we all got a little bit of time to watch him and wonder. >> if number votes you can have a barbecue and get together. tell me which states are must wins. tell me how it unfolds. let's start with donald trump. >> well, first of all, the democrats in the last six elect taken states that have an aggregate of 242 lelectoral votes. the big inchilauenchilada is fl. if they win, the win the election. that's why florida is the key for trump. he must take florida or he has no chance of winning the presidency. if he takes florida, he's got a shot. the next two big states are ohio and virginia. ohi

this is the a contest for presidency of the united state states. >> jonathan karl, abc news washingtonnald trump agreed to meet with house speaker paul ryan next thursday and resources tell abc news ryan may support a third party candidate. >>> federal judge in san diego has decided that donald trump will testify after the november election in a class action suit against trump university. trump lawyer says the billionaire businessman plans to attend most if not all of the trial and will take the witness stand. lawsuit is one of three that accuse the university of promising to teach the secret of success in real estate but students say it was a sham. >>> next primary is in guam tomorrow. on tuesday nebraska and west virginia each hold primary. california voters will go to the poll in less than 5 weeks now. deadline to register to vote or to register for particular party is may 23rd. you can request a vote by mail3y is june seventh.i >>> turning nowls toa" our weat. we areú in for moretu rain this weekend. gweck in withx7 sandhya. >> yes.s n a little n a little bit ofq does returnsé as

i'll tell you what, karl. he, take a look, on the come is going to lose this state. i went in a landslide. i didn't say everybody. many i didn't say everybody. wait, wait, wait. bill kristol is a loser. his magazine is failing as you know. it's going to be down, i don't think it even survives. he's getting some free publicity but bill kristol go i've been watching this for two years. trump isn't going to run. and i go into a race. we go into new hampshire. he's not going to inaction. i went in a landslide. do you think maybe he doesn't like me? okay. how about one or two more? go ahead. [inaudible] >> it's wrong. karl, i didn't get 30%. my last one was 78%. i didn't get 30%. [inaudible] >> i don't know. [inaudible] >> no. here's the way i look at it. we need somebody who's not on my side, okay, by the way, i've gotten great applause from the press in terms of as and she did because the republican party is winnable unify. we have come up, people that you would never have thought possible are nosing i support from. so remember that. we don't talk about that too much pr

jon karl in washington with the latest. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, george. that donald trump has the republican nomination locked up he has to find a way to unite a party that is deeply divided over his victory. and then there was one. donald trump now stands alone, the presumptive nominee after john kasich, his final rival, bowed out. >> as i suspend my campaign today, i have renewed faith, deeper faith that the lord will show me the way forward. >> reporter: trump has for the most part paid for his own campaign. but now he says he'll raise money for the general election. setting an audacious fund-raising goal. >> i'm making decisions right now but probably we'll work with the republican national committee raise a lot of money and go out and beat hillary. we'll try and raise over a billion dollars which is what's going to be necessary. >> reporter: it's a stunning turn of events. before trump trumped in few thought he would run. he now tells cnn even he wasn't completely convinced he could win. >> i didn't sit there and say i'm going to win but subconscious

. >> karl cameron who is a nice guy, he said they only have 1,500 people here. let me tell you, let me tell you, start counting them up karl because you have a lot of people here carl. >> there you have it. trump was right. there are probably about 8,000 people here spilled into two overflow rooms that we didn't see because he was so late and didn't get to see them going on. when the candidates are right, we give them their fair balance. >> glad you got that straight straightened out. the fight between trump and cruz was captured in a moment when senator cruz confronted a trump supporter on the street today and there was an interesting exchange that ensued. >> i want to thank you for being here and exercising your first amendment right. >> vote trump. >> you are entitled to have that view and i am going to treat you with respect even if not everyone in this process does. i'll tell you this election matters. it matters a lot. >> yeah, it does matter. >> it matters to the man. >> you asked kasich to drop out and it's your turn. time to drop out. >> when donald doe

you just saw that map that jon karl showed right now. donald trump begins this general election as an underdog in the electoral map in the polling so can lightning strike twice? >> well, that's the interesting thing. you know, we don't know and i think the fascinating thing about donald trump, george, is you and i have talked about. almost as if this is out of greek mythology, the development of donald trump where the titans of the gop establishment gave birth to donald trump through their actions and inactions and now the son of a titan has slain his father like zeus and rules over mt. olympus now headed to an epic battle against hillary clinton so he starts off at a series disadvantage but i don't think we can underestimate donald trump's ability in this sphere. >> well, matthew dowd is forcing me to pick up on his analogy, jon. the other gods on mt. olympus are not there with him yet. >> i don't know if cleveland is mt. olympus but i tell you this, george, many of the top republican leaders over the year, governors, former governors i

everybody knows my next guest, karl rove.s karl rove and his super pac endorsing democrat convention chair and leader of the democrat party debbie wasserman schultz? they said, quote, debbie wasserman schultz that's leadership has been a catalyst in the emerging civil war the democratic party and ensuring their nomination process will drag on far longer than that of the republicans. karl rove is here. that was a tongue-in-cheek endorsement, wasn't it? >> he has done so much to mess up the democratic primaries, great antagonism between the sanders campaign and the clinton -- she did such a terrific job in 2014 to help advance the republican cause of taking back the senate we thought the least we could do was endorse her reelection in the democratic primary. stuart: you are not actually going to donate money? >> no but we have done -- we know she might be offended by that so just put our strong language out there, strong endorsement making clear a huge effect on her. stuart: i will offer you an opportunity to answer two questio