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and it was the same kind of notion that fritz was talking about. people thought, well, if i scoop up enough of this material, then somewhere i'm going to find important things. and having all the material is really tempting. to go beyond what the original thought was. and so it's not -- it's not the kind of technology that is employed. it's the notion that you can sweep everything in and then work from that. >> in a little while, we are going to see 40 minutes of charles huston testifying about the huston plan. but first we would like to show another short clip. this is arizona republican senator barry goldwater. and he is talking about the internal revenue service in this clip. let's watch. >> senator goldwater? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to speak first about the internal revenue service. and i'm very happy that the chairman has mentioned this subject. somebody on this committee has likened the cia to a bull elephant rung rampant. i liken the irs to a rattlesnake, sliding along in the glass. probably the greatest threat to american freedom
and it was the same kind of notion that fritz was talking about. people thought, well, if i scoop up enough of this material, then somewhere i'm going to find important things. and having all the material is really tempting. to go beyond what the original thought was. and so it's not -- it's not the kind of technology that is employed. it's the notion that you can sweep everything in and then work from that. >> in a little while, we are going to see 40 minutes of charles huston testifying...
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so, by the late '50s when they got this kit that originated from fritz bausch about eischman's presencein argentina, at that point the origin really was -- this is -- again, there's one member of the prosecution team who says our concern was that the holocaust was being forgotten, not just abroad, but it was not being talked about in israel for the reason that young israelis could not understand how this could have happened. how people could have gone to their deaths seemingly without fighting in israel you understood fighting and death. and that this would be -- if they got eischman it would be a chance to explain the whole process, and then ben gehring at that point authorized the operation. >> the eischman trial was the great holocaust trial. numberburg was not in the first instance a holocaust trial. was about aggressive war. and the one thing that disturbed many holocaust survivors about the nuremberg trial was it was a trial not of the testimony of people who survived. it was a trial by document. a dry in which the prosecutors basically read thousands and thousands of pages of cap
so, by the late '50s when they got this kit that originated from fritz bausch about eischman's presencein argentina, at that point the origin really was -- this is -- again, there's one member of the prosecution team who says our concern was that the holocaust was being forgotten, not just abroad, but it was not being talked about in israel for the reason that young israelis could not understand how this could have happened. how people could have gone to their deaths seemingly without fighting...
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this was an extraordinary opportunity, not only for me, but fritz and others. i would like to wrap one other thing that, which is, what we talk about the lack of partisanship, lots of credit goes to fritz. but it would be wrong not to say the staff director who served for the staff director of the entire committee, bill miller, was an important part of that. his knowledge of the senate and his relationship in the senate, and his general optimistic view of the world, was buried food important -- was very important in achieving that for the committee. in retrospect, it was a treat. it was a wonderful, wonderful gift that was given to me and i hope i did what i should do in response to that. host: on that note, thank you. mr. maxwell, mr. schwarz, for your retrospective use on the church committee 40 years ago this month, thanks for your time. on c-spann history tv three, tonight at 10:00 eastern, on real america -- cubans fleeing cuba. kilometers to key west florida in nearly 2000 boats. why did they come? why are they so many? >> during the spring through fall o
this was an extraordinary opportunity, not only for me, but fritz and others. i would like to wrap one other thing that, which is, what we talk about the lack of partisanship, lots of credit goes to fritz. but it would be wrong not to say the staff director who served for the staff director of the entire committee, bill miller, was an important part of that. his knowledge of the senate and his relationship in the senate, and his general optimistic view of the world, was buried food important --...
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[applause] president carter: fritz and i will mount a campaign that defines the real issues, a campaign that responds to the intelligence of the american people, a campaign that talks sense. and we're going to beat the republicans in november! [applause] president carter: we'll win because we are the party of a great president who knew how to get reelected, franklin delano roosevelt. [applause] carter: and we are the party of a courageous fighter who knew how to give 'em hell -- harry truman. [applause] president carter: and as truman said, he just told the truth and they thought it was hell. [laughter] president carter and we're the : party of a gallant man of john fitzgerald kennedy. [applause] president carter and we're the : party of a great leader of lyndon baines johnson. [applause] president carter: and the party of a great man who should have been president, who would have been one of the greatest -- hubert in history horatio hornblower-humphrey. [applause] president carter i have : appreciated what this convention has said about senator humphrey, a great man who epitomized the
[applause] president carter: fritz and i will mount a campaign that defines the real issues, a campaign that responds to the intelligence of the american people, a campaign that talks sense. and we're going to beat the republicans in november! [applause] president carter: we'll win because we are the party of a great president who knew how to get reelected, franklin delano roosevelt. [applause] carter: and we are the party of a courageous fighter who knew how to give 'em hell -- harry truman....
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." >> so fritz schwarz, watching this, let me have you underscore for the public exactly what it is we're hearing here. what i'm trying to understand is we just heard testimony that the fbi and the birmingham police colluded to allow people to come in and beat the freedom riders unaffected for 15 minutes before the authorities moved in. is that correct? is that what we just heard? >> that's what you just heard and that's what happened. that day we had two witnesses, gary thomas rowe who testified with a hood over his head that i'll tell you about in a minute, and a young woman who was in the vietnam veterans against the war, maybe she worked for that group. and she was an informer for the fbi. now, again, our point was not you should not have any informers. informers are a legitimate law enforcement tool. however, there was absolutely no process for deciding what -- how and who you would pick as an informer. and as that story about knowing beatings of the freedom riders shows, the informers sometimes do some very bad things in order to maintain their credibility. now, rowe, had come out i
." >> so fritz schwarz, watching this, let me have you underscore for the public exactly what it is we're hearing here. what i'm trying to understand is we just heard testimony that the fbi and the birmingham police colluded to allow people to come in and beat the freedom riders unaffected for 15 minutes before the authorities moved in. is that correct? is that what we just heard? >> that's what you just heard and that's what happened. that day we had two witnesses, gary thomas...
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>> well, i think it was -- i'll leave that to fritz to answer. he was more deeply involved in the domestic side than i was. >> was there any witness who testified whether or not the fbi's -- was dr. martin luther king aware of the fbi's surveillance of him and did it affect his activities? >> yes, he was, and yes, it did affect his activity, but it didn't suppress his activity. that letter which was received and talked about not only between king and his wife, but between king and his close advisors was of great concern to them. it just proved further the extent to which the fbi was trying to hurt them. i mean, the fbi peddled information about king to the pope, to the white house, to universities, to foundations, to foreign leaders. they tried to prevent his getting the nobel peace prize. but, you know, elliot made a great point which were used phil hart for this. king of course is a known counter-leader to the practices of j. edgar hoover. but the fbi did things that injured all kinds of people. civil rights leaders where they would right anony
>> well, i think it was -- i'll leave that to fritz to answer. he was more deeply involved in the domestic side than i was. >> was there any witness who testified whether or not the fbi's -- was dr. martin luther king aware of the fbi's surveillance of him and did it affect his activities? >> yes, he was, and yes, it did affect his activity, but it didn't suppress his activity. that letter which was received and talked about not only between king and his wife, but between king...
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these two guys are fritz haber and carl bosch. he told his superiors in germany that he had perfected a reaction capable of generating ammonia, creating -- he had figured out how to mine the air of nitrogen. and carl bosch standardize it into an industrial process. we know it as the haber-bosch. mining this from the air began in 1913. what else are nitrates used for? >> explosives, like for a war. prof. sutter: munitions. we were just about to enter into world war i. this process would prove really critical to the german capacity to fight world war i. after world war i, there were all these industrially produced nitrates hanging around as farmers would then begin to turn to them. after this long search around the globe for nitrates, we have a fully industrialized process for producing nitrogen. the haber-bosch process after the 1930's, and incredibly energy-intensive process, we would not need guano or menhaden anymore. at least for people who could afford it. this brings to a conclusion these various metabolic rifts occurring thr
these two guys are fritz haber and carl bosch. he told his superiors in germany that he had perfected a reaction capable of generating ammonia, creating -- he had figured out how to mine the air of nitrogen. and carl bosch standardize it into an industrial process. we know it as the haber-bosch. mining this from the air began in 1913. what else are nitrates used for? >> explosives, like for a war. prof. sutter: munitions. we were just about to enter into world war i. this process would...
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. >>> in today's nbc 10 response, a family's refrigerator is on the fritz.d their option is, they aren't happy about it. >> they decided to contact the nbc 10 response team. harry hairston has their story. >> when i came down the other morning, i opened it and nothing worked. >> reporter: barbara brady says a broken refrigerator was the last thing she needed. >> a family of six. we have a lot of food in our refrigerator. >> reporter: after she found out it was out of commission, all her food was unfit to eat and her daughter's medicine was ruined. >> i was shocked. everybo everything was warm. i opened the freezer, everything was defrosted. >> reporter: she tells us she immediately called sears. that's where she purchased the refrigerator four years ago. brady says a repairman came that day, but didn't have the parts to fix the fridge and then the news got worse. >> he quoted that they would not be in for another 12 days. and i would be without a refrigerator during that time. >> reporter: when she told him she couldn't wait that long, they told her to buy a
. >>> in today's nbc 10 response, a family's refrigerator is on the fritz.d their option is, they aren't happy about it. >> they decided to contact the nbc 10 response team. harry hairston has their story. >> when i came down the other morning, i opened it and nothing worked. >> reporter: barbara brady says a broken refrigerator was the last thing she needed. >> a family of six. we have a lot of food in our refrigerator. >> reporter: after she found out it...
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here i am with the guys hanging out in front of french house, those are my buddies, fritz and nat, latey june of 1976. >> you have a lot of soul. >> a hip shirt you got on there. >> woo. >> you got to grow that back. >> if i could. >> honestly, that would be awesome. >> i-we would like that. >> eric? >> so tonight make sure you stay tuned 8:00, an o'reilly special i'm hosting called "a nation divided: left versus right in america." there's one guy -- >> mark cuban, we talked about to be both a vp potential for trump or hillary clinton. here's a little piece of that. >> how is it possible with the growing divide, there's a growing divide widening between the political right and left in america, one guy could possibly be named on either side? what do you bring that no one else does? >> well first of all i have a tech background and neither of the candidates have any technological expertise whatsoever. you know donald really use email. obviously hillary doesn't use it well. >> then i ask him about all the protests and immigration stuff. it's pretty good. >> great, congratulations. >> a nic
here i am with the guys hanging out in front of french house, those are my buddies, fritz and nat, latey june of 1976. >> you have a lot of soul. >> a hip shirt you got on there. >> woo. >> you got to grow that back. >> if i could. >> honestly, that would be awesome. >> i-we would like that. >> eric? >> so tonight make sure you stay tuned 8:00, an o'reilly special i'm hosting called "a nation divided: left versus right in america."...
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are you -- >> ronald reagan and donald trump attacked for eight years in a row when he supported fritz monday detail and he supported jimmy carter, that ronald reagan, jeff in give me a break. donald trump is no conservative. he's not going to represent the values of the republican party. he's not going to do it. he's going to represent the values of donald trump. >> you lost, steve. you know -- >> jeff, jeff, the convention is in july. the convention hasn't gotten here yet. that's when it takes place. this isn't a popularity contest. >> if you want to invalidate primaries, do it in 2020. >> the party shouldn't have a convention. let's just have a popularity contest. >> steve -- go to it. >> not the party of mob rule. a party who elects and -- the convention is going to take place whether or not jeff likes it or not. >> all right. final quick word, jeff, since steve got to start. >> this is not the party of people gathering in back rooms in cleveland to make a deal. you know, this is about people who -- >> jeff, it tell us who the 112 members are of the rules committee who determine th
are you -- >> ronald reagan and donald trump attacked for eight years in a row when he supported fritz monday detail and he supported jimmy carter, that ronald reagan, jeff in give me a break. donald trump is no conservative. he's not going to represent the values of the republican party. he's not going to do it. he's going to represent the values of donald trump. >> you lost, steve. you know -- >> jeff, jeff, the convention is in july. the convention hasn't gotten here yet....
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peter hart has done the same for democrats for four decades including fritz monday, ted kennedy and the "wall street journal" nebraska poll, conducts focus groups around the country for university of pa's annenberg school. neither is associated with the presidential candidates this time. we are pleased to have them both with us. thank you all boancht good to be here. >> rose: before we get into the presidential race, describe in a few words the context, the mood of the election. whit? >> angry, frustrated with two-thirds of the country thinking the country is off on the wrong track. they want a change. they want a change in washington. they want a change in the government. they want a change in the direction of the country. >> hunt: peter? ditto, ditto, ditto. thank you. absolutely the same thing. we tend to just think this just happened and the fact of the matter is, it's been there for 15 years, and all of the incivility in this campaign, all the sense of hollowing out of the. the -- of the middle class, all those things have been going on and all we're doing is seeing the cap of this
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team leader for real estate, neil callanan paired coming up on the program, james maccormack from fritz joins us. and later on, blackrock ceo larry fink joins us from the aspen ideas festival. that sounds appealing. you can see that on bloomberg at 10:30 tonight, u.k. time. ♪ ?c+sv no turning back as david cameron expresses regrets over the referendum. germany's merkel says this is no time for wishful thinking. a new bloomberg survey shows a majority of economists forecast a u.k. recession after the leave vote. and terror in turkey. islamic state is blamed for the attack that killed at least 36 people. turkish airlines says the airport has now reopened for flight. ♪ anna: welcome to "countdown." i am anna edwards. it has just gone 7:00 in the morning here in london. we are getting some numbers through. this is from a retailer of electrical goods on high street. the final dividend will be 6.5 pence. like for like sales increased by 5%. full-year group comparable revenues up i four point 5%. this is a better looking story in the wake of the brexit referendum results. we will see if they h
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in trenton by the sun national bank center traffic lights on the fritz this morning at 129 at hamiltonemorial bridge blocking two lanes headed into delaware all day today. you see some speeds in the 30's, some speeds less as you travel into new castle county. you might want to stay up on the commodore barry instead. matt. >> okay matt, thanks. >>> meteorologist karen rogers filling in for dave murphy. >> it's nice and warm, 75, feeling good out here. let's check your forecast. a high at a of 85, a summer-like day, it is warm, it is breezy, mostly dry with sun and clouds. late this afternoon and this evening a few spots will see a brief shower or thunderstorm. tomorrow windy, much cooler, 70 for your high. that's a big change. late morning into early afternoon we get a few showers tomorrow. thursday it's a cool start. some people will only wake up in the upper 40's. then lots of sunshine and 75 for your high. we're up to 77 on friday and saturday looks good. actually the weekend is pretty good. a bit warmer on saturday at 80 and 82 on sunday matt. >> thanks karen. polls open in new jers
in trenton by the sun national bank center traffic lights on the fritz this morning at 129 at hamiltonemorial bridge blocking two lanes headed into delaware all day today. you see some speeds in the 30's, some speeds less as you travel into new castle county. you might want to stay up on the commodore barry instead. matt. >> okay matt, thanks. >>> meteorologist karen rogers filling in for dave murphy. >> it's nice and warm, 75, feeling good out here. let's check your...
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fritz was murdered in apri april 1944. but it was not until 1994 when my father died and i inherited his correspondent that i became aware of my father's solitary, and largely unsuccessful, quest to regain his own father's dispersed collection. my father never shared with me what he was doing. it was probably too painful. my father did survive obviously the war in britain. although badly wounded during the war. as soon as it was declared he returned to the netherlands only to find his parents gone and the family home stretch there. in addition almost all my grandfathers letters, documents, photos concerning the art collection of been destroyed by the nazis. his library was also shipped to germany. my father's only recourse was to try to sketch an inventory from memory. meanwhile, the governments effecting my family at least those of the netherlands, france and west germany erected severe bureaucratic barriers making restitution next to impossible. and that usually insisted on being paid before returning anything, but more
fritz was murdered in apri april 1944. but it was not until 1994 when my father died and i inherited his correspondent that i became aware of my father's solitary, and largely unsuccessful, quest to regain his own father's dispersed collection. my father never shared with me what he was doing. it was probably too painful. my father did survive obviously the war in britain. although badly wounded during the war. as soon as it was declared he returned to the netherlands only to find his parents...
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-- >> fitz van patrick, the conference, thank you for participating with me, amazing talked about fritzho was let go from starwood the idea that airbnb is bigger than the three largest hotel chains combined. expedia buys [ inaudible ]. time shares i think they want to compete one day with airbnb. airbnb $30 billion valuation. >> yeah. >> not wrong. >> not wrong. >> is that interesting to put it in perspective. $30 billion for airbnb, $2.2 billion for diamond resorts. although they have a decent amount of debt. >> isn't that something. what it says is this is another disrupter, david. it really is a disrupter. because people regard it as quite the bargain. >> right. >> when you buy property you almost -- vacation property check to see whether it's listed on airbnb. because it's instant profit for when you're not using it. that's changing the world. >> it is. although they've run into their share of problems here in new york. >> that's very important. >> and changes in the regulations in new york city. dave cody, one of your neighbors, we talked about him many times through the years, he
-- >> fitz van patrick, the conference, thank you for participating with me, amazing talked about fritzho was let go from starwood the idea that airbnb is bigger than the three largest hotel chains combined. expedia buys [ inaudible ]. time shares i think they want to compete one day with airbnb. airbnb $30 billion valuation. >> yeah. >> not wrong. >> not wrong. >> is that interesting to put it in perspective. $30 billion for airbnb, $2.2 billion for diamond...
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i left the congress at 3:00 in the morning after arguing vehemently with a senator fritz, and huh now admitted it was a mistake, and i said the administration's position is that you have to take drug tiding we will not agree to the reauthorization of fda. we can live without that reauthorization at this point in time, but the senators were so desperate to get it off their plate they cut the deal on the reauthorization at 4:00 in the morning, i unfortunately left at 3:00 in the morning thinking head made it clear what our position was, and we got the expansive healthcare costs as result of the connection with the fda reauthorization. and not acceptable. i give you some sense of why the financing of the food safety system is not outside of the political realm. it's very much tied into it. and we're very vulnerable because of the way we finance safety in this country, because you cut deals as you're going along, and as long as the public is pressuring congress on some of these issues we'll continue to be backing up on what we think our good science-based decisions. >> i just have to step
i left the congress at 3:00 in the morning after arguing vehemently with a senator fritz, and huh now admitted it was a mistake, and i said the administration's position is that you have to take drug tiding we will not agree to the reauthorization of fda. we can live without that reauthorization at this point in time, but the senators were so desperate to get it off their plate they cut the deal on the reauthorization at 4:00 in the morning, i unfortunately left at 3:00 in the morning thinking...
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mad money," when you listen to these companies you just cringe if you're -- as i keep going back to fritzstarwood. airbnb has wrecked the potential for the hotelers. not wrecked but potential. hasn't wrecked the gambling business by the way steve wynn just better and better. look at the buys he made. the open market buys he made. >> i did. >> what a titan that guy is. >> better move dimon or wynn, in terms of buying your own shares? >> wynn is. >> wynn. dimon came in at the 53 level, he called the bottom. but wynn, the fire power he's put to work, the guy was like -- he was on a mission. you know, i urge people listen to jamie dimon's conference called, they're well staged, they're a very good production, they are a network production. steve wynn, he's cable. steve wynn is banshee meets breaking bad and narcos, it's a production. and at the end you're like, wow, i wish they would do another, are they going to do season two of that thing? i hope they do season two. that's how good his conference calls are. you're laughing. >> i am laughing. >> you want more, it's like please don't cancel l
mad money," when you listen to these companies you just cringe if you're -- as i keep going back to fritzstarwood. airbnb has wrecked the potential for the hotelers. not wrecked but potential. hasn't wrecked the gambling business by the way steve wynn just better and better. look at the buys he made. the open market buys he made. >> i did. >> what a titan that guy is. >> better move dimon or wynn, in terms of buying your own shares? >> wynn is. >> wynn. dimon...
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fritz hollings voted against it. of the corer heard door of shame down here? in fermin -- burma's to jim -- he voted against nafta. -- the wordess chesterfield and marlborough, they are cigarettes. there are also the counties in south carolina. they are jim's district. the tobacco industry was completely destroyed. jim clyburn invest -- he inherited that. -- those are ghost towns in his district map. same thing happened to me textile industry. part of the a big economy in the state and it was shameful that people got on board with that thing. i don't know why it passed overwhelmingly in the senate. that pass succeeded to 30. it was not planned, the conversation was not about the e-mail investigation. our conversation was a great deal about his grandchildren and about our travels. it was a story about how -- the president will be traveling to north carolina to campaign with hillary clinton next week. sponsors for the gop convention are planning to skip it. here are the folks that are going, kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, marco rubio and paul ryan are all plan
fritz hollings voted against it. of the corer heard door of shame down here? in fermin -- burma's to jim -- he voted against nafta. -- the wordess chesterfield and marlborough, they are cigarettes. there are also the counties in south carolina. they are jim's district. the tobacco industry was completely destroyed. jim clyburn invest -- he inherited that. -- those are ghost towns in his district map. same thing happened to me textile industry. part of the a big economy in the state and it was...
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fritz, and he committed to work with me and the senate sponsors on this legislation.he indicated there were parts of the bill that the company can support, and i think knowing that the company is willing now to follow up is a bit of constructive news and encouraging developments. but much more needs to be done. yesterday senator merkley and i with our governor, congressman blumenauer, congressman bonamici, we all called for a temporary moratorium on oil train traffic through the columbia gorge. now, yesterday when i talked to the c.e.o. of union pacific, mre union pacific will not ship union trains of oil through the gorge until there are three developments. one, the cause of the accident has been determined. two, union pacific ensures that an accident will not happen again, will not happen again, and the company sits down and works out concerns that are obviously of enormous importance to residents of mosier. so these commitments are helpful, and we're going to monitor them closely. the company has got to do everything possible to help get residents in the town back
fritz, and he committed to work with me and the senate sponsors on this legislation.he indicated there were parts of the bill that the company can support, and i think knowing that the company is willing now to follow up is a bit of constructive news and encouraging developments. but much more needs to be done. yesterday senator merkley and i with our governor, congressman blumenauer, congressman bonamici, we all called for a temporary moratorium on oil train traffic through the columbia gorge....
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in every congress from the 99th to the 108th, senator fritz hollins introduced a bipartisan constitutional amendment very similar to the one that i'm carrying this year. senator schumer and senator cochran continued the effort in the 109th congress. even majority leader mcconnell once had his own constitutional amendment to limit the influence of money on our elections. that was all before citizens united and ma cuch chin, both of those decision, by the scowrpt. it walls before things went from bad to worse, the out of control spending since those decisions has further poisoned our elections. in a few minutes senator merkley and i and our colleagues will hold a press conference about this bill. we will highlight the growth of one special interest group that has increased its spending exponentially since citizens united. that group is the n.r.a. fueled with contributions from gun manufacturers, it has republicans so scared they don't even hold a vote on commonsense steps to protect families from gun violence. even when americans are crying out for action, even after tragedies like sandy hoo
in every congress from the 99th to the 108th, senator fritz hollins introduced a bipartisan constitutional amendment very similar to the one that i'm carrying this year. senator schumer and senator cochran continued the effort in the 109th congress. even majority leader mcconnell once had his own constitutional amendment to limit the influence of money on our elections. that was all before citizens united and ma cuch chin, both of those decision, by the scowrpt. it walls before things went from...
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that was the chairman, frank church of idaho and to his right, chief counsel to the committee, fritz schwartz. who's here with us today. now, today in the wake of 9/11, the nsa is something of a household word for anybody who follows the news and politics. but how well known was the agency in 1975, mr. schwartz? >> well, hardly at all. the joke was that nsa stood for no such agency. it was not meant to be discussed at all and it wasn't generally. to have the hearings on the nsa was one of the most hard fault issues within the committee. i think it was a quite close vote and again not at all on partisan lines over whether we should or should not have a public hearing and we decided to have a public hearing. then there was dispute on whether we should reveal the names of companies that for 30 years had given every single telegram every day to the nsa and we voted again very closely to do that. actually, the wonderful staff member who'd uncovered that, brit snider had recommended that we not disclose their names and i disagreed with him because i said look, they violated the rights of t
that was the chairman, frank church of idaho and to his right, chief counsel to the committee, fritz schwartz. who's here with us today. now, today in the wake of 9/11, the nsa is something of a household word for anybody who follows the news and politics. but how well known was the agency in 1975, mr. schwartz? >> well, hardly at all. the joke was that nsa stood for no such agency. it was not meant to be discussed at all and it wasn't generally. to have the hearings on the nsa was one of...