mr. negroponte: the suggestion has been made that we need a holistic policy. you have got to focus on what is going to make central america better. i am sad to say, as someone who was ambassador to honduras that the situation in central american today is far worse than it was 35 years ago in many respects, particularly because of the gangs. i think we have to help them. i think it is an area of potential collaboration between us and mexico to make things right. i just want to put a next -- mr. chernoff: i just want to put an expiration point on that. america does not have to necessarily be in the lead in trying to include the relationship with guatemala and honduras. they are neighbors with mexico. if you have that relationship that i and talking about, a trusting relationship, you work with your friends and allies in mexico to help. mary: you think obama is right to be working with mexico? it has to be a collaborative enterprise. -- governor ridge: it has to be a collaborative enterprise. whatever it is. they deal with their neighbors. mary: we have time for