people like marc maron, who tried and tried and never got on and are still mad about it. - of course, yeah. - you made a pretty quick path right there. - yeah, ya know obviously i was very lucky on a lot of levels that, that's the way it shook out. - right. - i mean when i applied for the lampoon. it took me a year and a half to get in, out of college, ya know when i was in college. - yeah. - so that process was writing as much as you possibly could. people who look at it, give you notes, you'd submit, there were different kind of levels that you could get to. and i got really close twice and didn't get in. and then the third time i got in. - yeah. - and so it was kind of similar when you apply to places as a writer, that's the mentality you have to have. - right. - you just have to do it a lot. - more likely not to do it, or not to get it. - you're almost guaranteed to not get it. - right. - so you have to to, it's just a crap shoot. even if you're really talented and really good, it's a crap shoot, it's a luck thing. if they have a spot open, or they don't. but you have to go in wit