go now to richard haas, president of the council on foreign relations. he joins us on the telephone is this unfolds. -- on the telephone now. as this unfolds, i wonder what your thoughts are and how strong this faction of the military is. do you believe they will be able to pull off a coup? is not totally surprising given how polarized turkish society has become, how strained relations have been and continue to be between the military and mr. erdogan and others. in terms of the strength of this faction, their agenda, and a million other questions, nobody, at least on the outside that i have seen, has the answers to that. when you say polarized, i think about what i just saw in london, 52-48. what we have in the u.s., 40% for clinton, 40% for trump. polarizationind of in turkey, almost a dead even split? >> it's hard to say. process itself has been so skewed in the military does not stand against erdogan or anyone else. what you have is an indication of a society with multiple fault lines, whether it is between andous kurdish activists the government or s

richard haas, i don't understand how this happened.idn't know that this meeting would completely expose her -- and actually make her impossible to be a part of it any more. >> puts her in a position. but let's connect the two parts of this conversation. the framing for this election is, i think, this push back against globalization. whether it's immigration workers, trade, what have you. and all things being equal. that probably helps donald trump more than hillary clinton because he represents the outsider and she's more of a traditionalest. who we have seen in the last few weeks make this a referendum on. is it a referendum on donald trump's temperament or on hillary clinton? what is interesting in the last 24 hours and the whole thing with the attorney general, it pushes the focus back to hillary clinton and takes it off donald trump. that, to me, is in some ways a question of how this plays out over the next three or four months. >> what happened? what happened in the meeting? if no one found out about this meeting, would she not h

. >> richard haas. >> i mean everything secretary clinton said is right there. i'll leave it to mark to say if it's politically effective. it seems to be a kind of detailed, answer as opposed to something that is more gut level. i would simply say, again, since the war. you can do things with nato and the middle east and what we are really talking about are individuals in resident communities inside countries. the answer is not necessarily what you do in the middle east and not necessarily what you do at the border. the real question is, again, how do we prevent these people from making this choice to go over the line. >> there is a larger question to it. to declare war, not declare war and use nato, don't use nato and it is last night one man, one truck, at least 84 dead. how do you declare war on that? the only way you can get to the reasoning, the cause, the trigger about that is human intelligence. and we have never, desperate lack of human intelligence when it comes to dealing with isis. >> we'll continue to cover this breaking news. much more ahead on the