bennis institute for policy studies. we will be back in a moment. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodmano, the side of the summer olympic games for part two of our conversation with sports writer jesse washington of the undefeated and anthony ervin we just begin the oldest ever individual olympic swimming gold medalist. i began by asking jesse washington about jamaican sprinter usain bolt who made history by becoming the first olympian to win the 100 meter gold medal three times in a row. obvious he is incredible and nobody can stay in front of this guy. his a story in an of itself is well documented. his greatness. someone asked him, you are already a legend, what comes after legendary cap he said, like the sound of the word "immortal." what he has done is pretty great. i am intrigued by justin gatlin. doping has been prominent -- amy: explain who justin gatlin is, who came in second to usain bolt. >> justin gatlin is the second fastest man on the planet and you would think that people would be interested in seeing him run, however, when he entered the stadium and his name was announced