border security and everify, those are republican standbys. are things we've been talking about for decades. >> those are also a very crucial part of the senate bill 744 that could not get passed in the 2013, the gang of eight bill that marco rubio was bashed for and told he was the amnesty candidate as a result. >> where does this play -- go ahead, ryan. >> look, what he's learning is what everyone learn when is they look at the immigration problem. the most vexing problem is how you treat the 11 million people who came here at one point in their life illegally and you're basically either for, you know, the one time he called for deportation force to get everyone out or you're in favor of some kind, even if it's an extremely severe kind of amnesty. it's really sort of black and white when you boil it down like that. i think trump's big mistake was he got pushed into talking about this deportation force in interviews when if you look at his web site, it's really not there in his detailed policy plan on the trump webside but it's and that's the

everify. >> he found that sweet spot where you had the rest of the party saying it is just impracticalcannot deport 11 million people. and his position was basically, hey, republican voters. you can and i will. >> has anyone asked hill. how exactly does his colonel position differ from rubio's or even jeb bush's? >> it is not true that he has only changes the position on the one thing. we don't know where he stands on the deportation force, where he stands on the wall. even whether he brought it up with the mexican president. all of these. we have a bowl of junky oatmeal. i don't know if somebody asks help how he compares. whatever he says in that answer might be different from what he might say an hour later or one of his staffers might be. what he said in mexico just now. it is just, the question of whether it matters is the big one. and whether rush limbaugh is right. >> we played all that rhetoric, the provocative things emover the last year. does that add up to buying him enough wiggle room with his base that he can change his position? we'll squeeze a break in. up next, the race

. >> we're going to have all sorts of everify and everything you can think of in terms of immigration. people will not come into our country illegally. we're going to fix that. >> reporter: but he was unclear on what would happen to the 11 million undocumented immigrants already here. edward lawrence, nbc news, washington. >>> joining us now is nbc news senior political director mark murray. mark, thanks for taking the time with us. donald trump not only attacking hillary clinton on race, he's made several arguments trying to win over african-american voters. do you think it will work? >> well, he has a really tough hole to climb out from. our latest poll in pennsylvania had hillary clinton leading donald trump 94% to 1% among african-americans. and so you can end up seeing that this new effort by donald trump to woo african-americans and latinos and speak more forcefully to them is a way -- there's nowhere to go but up. but there's a different strategy, too, for donald trump, and that is to help himself in the -- with whites, with persuadable swing voters. our own polling also shows

specifically whattel talk about, we have some indication, everify work site enforcement visa tracking, boost immigration judges, mandatory detention for those imprisoned and a plan for sanctuaries. we'll see if that's what donald trump addresses. we're also told this speech is very much a work in progress. >> katie, one follow-up question about michigan. we got word today that the trump campaign may start investing more in michigan. that hasn't happened yet and i don't think we know when it's going to happen but what does that tell you? >> we did get word on that. i want to pump the brakes. we don't have any indication they bought air time in michigan quite yet. we also heard they were going to spend $10 million on an ad buy in a number of battleground states. so far that $10 million has not been placed. the campaign says they will finish placing those ads and making buys today. until that happens talking about michigan is a little bit premature. if they do go up for a buy in michigan, it does indicate they are trying to make what had been traditionally blue states red. they believe i

having a functional everify system to make sure that americans are getting the jobs in this country,the time we complete those four stages of mr. trump's plan, there is not going to be 11 million people in this country illegally. once we get to that point, mr. trump is going to lay out on wednesday what he wants to do with those 11 million or less who are going to be there by that point. >> katrina, what's interesting to me is that president obama has prided himself on deportations for the last 8 years. in fact, he calls himself the president who has deported more illegals than any other president. i think the number is almost 3 million deportations under president obama. yet, the left will point the finger at donald trump saying that that's cruel. >> well, and that's because it's a republican saying those things and the one thing that you won't see under a president trump that we currently see under president obama, the obama/clinton administration is that he will not be releasing criminal aliens back into the population. that would be an automatic deportation. mr. trump wants to pr

implement everify but there will be no path to citizen or legalization unless people leave the country. >> jacob, still more questions than answers with what exactly trump's immigration policy is at this point. today pence said we can expect a rollout in the next few weeks. what kind of discussions are going on within the campaign? >> so as we go through the interviews today from the campaign. you have mike pence, kellyanne conway. and chris christie, a big surrogate. they all have similar lines on one thing. they say trump has been consistent the entire time but if you listen closely they are talking about no amnesty. no path to citizenship. however when pressed repeatedly on the issue of non criminal undocumented immigrants all three did not have an answer. in fact a couple of them said well you are going to have to wait for what trump says in his immigration speech. we do expect a speech from mr. trump in the next couple of wee weeks, where we expect him to spell out what change if any there is on that policy. we do expect as the campaign manager put it, a softening at least on the

implement everify but there will be no path to citizen or legalization unless people leave the country

had said in terms of softening is let's start with the bad actors first and then goes to on talk on everify for employers, no sanctuary cities. when you have illegals coming in and employers not being punished for hiring them, there's a wage erosion. and we want to -- i think everybody wants to protect american jobs. but if you do these things, what happens is that pool of 11 million illegals, it narrows down. and it becomes a lot more manageable and i think if you just do that it makes sense. when he uses the word common sense, talks about humanely, that's what he's referring to. but again -- >> could you see a scenario when he delivered the speech and hallie jackson says this speech is still being written. we don't know what he's going to say. could you see a scenario where he leaves open the possibility that some of those 11 million, 12 million in this country illegally right now, that some of them are allowed to stay in the country? >> i think he has said no amnesty and no legalization. keep in mind, hillary clinton's approach is open borders. 100-day amnesty program. no protection for

we'll make sure everify is in place. a real concrete step to cure the illegal immigration problem. >> those things have been very clear. he has been consistent on that and consistent about building a wall. for the 11 million, 12 million who are here, for the people they work for, for the friends, their colleagues, the other people in their communities, and for just people out there who want to know what donald trump stands for, we're trying to figure out, all right, so if you have committed a crime, you get deported. >> right. >> is there a path to come back in for those people? >> not if you commit a crime. >> he's talking about having to leave the country and then coming back -- >> that's for the illegal immigrants who are here illegally but wohaho have not committed a crime. >> 12 million people will have to leave the country? >> if they want to have a shot at being citizens in this country -- >> they have to leave and go back to the country they came from? >> leave and go back to the country they came from. >> first

. >> we're going to build a great wall on the border and we're going to nationwide everify, stop illegal immigrants from accessing welfare and entitlements. >>> nbc's chuck todd will have on "meet the press" later this morning at 10:30. he will sit down with reince priebus. >>> time now is 6:08 in northern virginia. several groups came together in an effort to stop domestic violence. it takes a village expo is inspired by the death of cristina fisher. her ex-boyfriend is charged in her death. organizers told news 4 they want to make sure the community knows what resources are available to them. >> whether people want to admit it or not, everyone watching this has been affected by domestic violence. they just haven't done anything by it. they will continue to be affected by it. >> the loudon county sheriff's office and women's shelter were on hand to provide information to those who needed it. they also accepted clothing donations for women at that shelter. >>> arlington county are saying good-bye to summer. activities includes bounce houses, safety demonstrations for people of all ages,

offense not only to the rule of law but to our federal system, and, lastly, he wants to promote everifieryers to know, whether or not they are hiring people that are here illegally because is style people will have forged documents, so those are really good proposals i think a great start a great way to go. maria: i like the fact that you actually are using that program, the restaurants, you are actually seeing an impact, i want to get your take andy on escalating push for campaign money boelth sides both nominees are ramping up efforts to raise money after hillary clinton raifsdz 19 million dollars in single week, following a 3-day high profile of fund-raising blitz does donald trump need more of these closed-door starts stud that hillary has been doing how does he keep up with her on money end of things? >> well, you know, look you always want to have groups of people that are going to contribute large amounts of money so donald trump could use more of those, but really they cut back onnd credibility if you are saying we are going to regulate wall street we are going to tax rich how can