mr. shanks: one of the things -- is this on? yeah. in my experience people don't like talking about human genetic modification. it freaks people out. now, there are some people that it's a minority, i think, there are some people who are for it, who, you know, i want to be green, i want to have horns, i want to do all kinds of things. but most people who are -- and i'm talking about people who are concerned with g.m. foods, you think they'd be a natural audience for jumping into this discussion? most of them go, yuck, really that's about it. it's hard to get the discussion going because people don't want to take part of it because it's scary. >> so i want to answer this in two ways because i think it's a really important question, and so i think in the curriculum, right, when you're actually -- taking biology at uc berkeley, there is this idea right now that it is messy and get in the way,. i did not know what sociology was until i was in law school. that is when i knew i need sociology right now. this is complicated stuff and we are