salman rushdie. >> rose: why. >> salman rushdie because his story is set in church. because when i was deep in church and somebody length me his novel shame and i'd have these really big bibles with a leather binding around it and i would slip this book in me inside and the preacher is saying you're going to hell and i'm laughing because i'm reading about the three sisters. i was so appalled by it because i was again a dickens guy, a victorian and the idea of messing with narrative like that never occurred to me. reading it, it kind of gave me permission to write a certain way. the symptom with tony morrison, i grew up in a very british colonial education. books like those that existed never occurred to me. >> rose: you left the church. what happened, just disillusionment. >> disillusionment, change of geography. you know, i think was looking for big adversaries than that. because the jamaican church can be sort of what we call clap in church in america a lot of praise and worship. not a lot of intellectual like that. >> rose: is it different being gay in jamaica. >>

paperback version of his novel "two years eight months and twenty-eight nights" is out now, author salman rushdieause) and for everyone at home, join our conversation right now on twitter, @nightlyshow using #tonightly. last night at the convention, ted cruz refused to back trump. take a look. >> don't stay home in november. (applause) if you love our country and love your children as much as i know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution. (applause and boos) >> larry: okay, straight up. >> mmm... yeah... >> larry: did he perform a service for america? will we be thanking him later? if trump is not the president? >> first of all, i agree with what he said. i just don't think you will find those people in the republican party. (applause) it's difficult. i don't know. something sticks in my throat about saying thank you to ted cruz. >> larry: yeah, i know, very difficult. >> because, you know, he's a snake, too. >> larry: and the zodiac killer. >> and the zodiac kille

salman rushdie. charlie: why them? rushdie, i read in church.i was a deep in church, some of the novel "shame" i read and i had these big rivals with the leather binding around it and i would slip my book inside it and the preacher is saying we are all going to hell and i am laughing because i'm reading this scene with three sisters. when i first read that book, i was so appalled by it. because i am a dickens guy, a victorian, and the idea of messing with narrative like that never occurred to me. reading it, it gave me permission to write in a certain way. the same way with toni morrison. i grew up in a very british colonial education. the idea that books like those existed just never occurred to me. charlie: you eventually left the church. what happened? just disillusionment? marlon: disillusionment, change of geography. you know, i think i was looking for bigger answers than that. because jamaican church can be very sort of, a lot of praise and worship, not a lot of intellectual growth or stimulation. i was pretty much just this celibate chris