not releases tax returns, disclose almost nothing about his health records, that out the law zoo, wazooo the bank of china. he is by far the least transparent presidential candidate of our lifetimes. will he ever start to pay a price for that? mike: i would argue he is paying the price for it. we're having this conversation now on a week when the conversation could have been about secretary clinton and e-mails in the foundation, he's largely step on that message with his own actions and questions about his own campaign. i think he has been paying a price. there's a sense that people are not being told the full story and people are looking at both candidates trying to figure out can i sleep well at night knowing they are my president? i don't think he has gotten away scott free but mr. murphy's point, he may be undergoing a not at preventing him from releasing his tax returns -- i would be interested to read the fec report. alex: i asked both of you these question -- this question -- is there such thing as a pivot in american politics in this day and age? mike: i think you can evolve a b

released his tax returns, has disclosed almost nothing about his health records, we have got debt up the wazooindebted to fwabank of china, $650 million in debt c conceivabl conceivably. he's the least transparent candidate of our lifetime. will he ever start to pay a price for that, in your judgment? >> i would argue he's paying a price for it. we are having this conversation now on a week when the conversation, at least the last week when the conversation could have been about secretary clinton and about e-mails and about the foundation, he's largely stepped on that message with his own actions and his own -- and questions about his own campaign and certainly the viability of his campaign. so i think he has been paying a price. i think just as there's a sense out there that people aren't being told the full story, we are now getting down to decision mode of the campaign and people are looking at both candidates trying to figure out who could i sleep well at night knowing they were my president. i think these things do add up to part of that, people know who they're voting for so i don't thin

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