. >> this is like miller philmore against james buchanan. the two most unlikable candidates in presidential history. out of 300 million people we ended up with these two? this is almost next to impossible. who cares to come out and vote against the other party. >> ground game or enthusiasm, or both, gary b.? >> well, if you're -- trump has it wrong. trump wanted enthusiasm, but enthusiasm means if you're already registered, you vote. but the numbers don't support that. you have 55 million registered republicans, you have 72 million registered democrats. so if enthusiasm is the same on both sides, then the democrats are going to win. >> but we do have a poll we can show -- >> the trends. >> -- of trump in terms of uncertainty of vote preference of donald trump versus -- >> and they're registering more than certainly we expected. >> final word. >> how much you hate the other candidate is going to drive the foot traffic this time around. >> you always have so much -- i want to give the final word to katie since you were so specific strangely. >