film institute, an arm of tribeca, and i had always been a big reader, person who loved to read ask that was always my primary culture love. so if i worked in theater or film issue spent time in a magazine when i was young, at the supports and always kept come can back to that. some when i left i didn't know what wanted to do but i wanted to do something different so i started volunteering at the brooklyn book festival, and i was helping put together nonfiction panels, and while i was doing that, a friend of mine just came out with her first novel and he was a college friend of mine in chicago, and she said, i'm the fiction editor at this magazine and they need some help with events or you're doing this brooklyn book festival thing now. wipe don't you see if you can be helpful to them. called the editor and chief and founder and said do you need anybody? i'm a nonprofit person. and you're a nonprofit and i think i can help. and i think a week later i was set up as the associate publish of the magazine, as a volunteer, but it was pretty much a full-time job. anden the just stayed and