clarence darrow, the famed trial attorney becomes their defense lawyer and he is also a fan of nietzsche, but he's not a murder and he's quite sure that is now a nietzsche had in mind, so the interesting thing about the whole leopold and loeb trial, which is tried to save these boys from these-- these young men from income from themselves is how darrow had to-- the reason why they did this is because nietzsche is toxic in a dangerous think her name is understood and yet nietzsche is a important thinker that we need a modern life, but that we need to handle him with care, so something like that, the leopold and loeb trial, you see these negotiations were nietzsche is both, you know, public enemy number one as we see with the murder, but also with clarence darrow say nietzsche is the thinker that we americans need in order to embrace modern life. >> political movement that have co-opted nietzsche. >> guest: so many. i think i mean really the whole 20th century is a story of co-optation and i think the one that surprises my readers the most or at least when i get letters from readers or to