but i first want to welcome laura slatery. she's the executive director of the gubiel project. how long have you been the executive director there? >> going on seven years now. >> wonderful. i have seen the work that you do. i know you work elsewhere. but first what is the gubiel project. i know it has to do with sacred sleep and sanctuary. what do you do? >> thank you, first, for having me on the show. the project was started about 12 years ago as an experiment. what would happen if we allowed people during the day to feel very welcomed in our church and to then lay down and sleep on the pews. there is a story about the pastor at the time, he went on a trip to the east coast, and in the mill he was in denver and had a layover and went to the chapel. he was exhausted and wanted to lay down. as he was about to lay down, he saw a sign that said no sleeping. he thought, who am i hurting? and god doesn't mind. that is what i'm doing in my church, i'm allowing people in but letting them get this important thing they need, sleep. he decided to let people lay down. at first it was vol