and that is so frustrating when you have a committee as important as psac is. >> how are they interacting with vision zero. >> we are active in that. and we are always at vision zero and active with that. >> okay. and then i also see that another requirement in addition to kind of reducing the number of seats is that any member who misses three regular meetings, within a six month period without express approval of the committee will or shall be deemed resigned from the committee. >> you know, with he have some and a couple of people that we don't see, and it is kind of frustrating when it is like where are they? that is why we wanted to put that in there also. >> all right, thank you for your presentation. i think that is, obviously we want these advisory committees to really serve their purposes, if you are not able to meet more than once a year, i think that these changes are fine. >> i have had to cancel the last two meetings because we were not going to have a quorum, the next meeting, our november meeting is on election day, we are not sure what we are going to do about that one yet