if you come to mind and i don't mean to be self-serving to the administration but someone like steve hadleythe national security adviser, week i can have a straight forward conversation with him and i will call up and say i have a decision to make and it's mine. so so i will make the decision but i want to make you i want to know that. and in essence, i don't know that i was even inviting him to be a sounding board, i was just giving him warning that i might be jumping over the side here and you might have to be pulling me out. he was forever stable. forever willing to cover your back. i got invited to meet the press one of tim's last shows, god rest his soul. so the public affairs officer coming in and he says meet the press here and i said oh can i switch in a call up stephen said i've been invited to be on meet the press with tim russert this sunday and he said good, good luck. no political guidance, no left and right hand mondrian's, just good luck. so he had the kind of confidence in the agency to me that allowed you to stabilize things and seven and oh eight. and my deputy, i got sele

the position at the time was equivalent to steve hadley. so you can imagine what would've happened had there been an appropriate mirror image. in any case, it's part of an area that's sensitive to them, remains a sensitive, as you and others have noted. and one that we sometimes don't appreciate the importance that they attach to these countries, and we saw that again in ukraine and 2013-2014. >> thank you very much. >> a footnote? i was actually deputy secretaries signed instruction to the american ambassador in moldova responding to the kozak memorandum. the way president of erdogan change is coming to the ambassador, had this memorandum, the kozak memorandum. i proposed to send. i would like an american it doesn't. i think he was asking europeans to do the same thing. we took a look at the memorandum at our conclusion was is unworkable because it basically gave them the breakaway piece of moldova the ability to veto foreign policy, security policy. moldova said want to draw closer to the european union. we went back and said look, it's n

and steve hadley's deputy and i were sort of the b team. a team had left for the day.val office and tell the president. it was state department issue. we thought there might be protests and riots against american embassies around the world. the president was furious that it happened. he was sad. he was sick. i want to carve out philippe. my understanding of philippe's role is that he's often the one that would explain to her in explicit terms how the press would receive it. i don't see philippe -- >> you say unlike cheryl mills and david kendall, philippe is not an enabler. >> going back in clinton world, it was philippe who told her how the press would prosecute the private server. it almost comes through the fork of a press person. you break the news to a candidate about something the press discovered. something the press learned. in the case of haditha one of the worst stories i told the president, it's something the press knew before we did. those are horrible collisions between a truth and something a politician doesn't want to deal with. it almost always falls to

the position is the equivalent to steve hadley. is part of an area that is sensitive as you and others have noted and we don't always appreciate the importance that we they attach to these countries. we saw that it began ukraine in 2013, 2014. we took a look at it and we said it was unworkable. it was a breakaway piece and gave them the ability to veto foreign-policy and they said we want to veto it. we went back and said it's not our place to tell you not to sign this. you can sign this but were not going to endorse it. the embassy wasn't going to go to the population because they thought there would be domestic pushback. >> the first version is the one you looked at and came back and we told them they did the same thing, told them we couldn't support it but we felt if he was going to sign it we couldn't scare him off because you had not yet seen the portion for the articles with the two-part thing he wanted western or eu approval of doing it. he had told the russians this. allegedly he told me later that the russians told him the

the position of kazakh at the time was equivalent to steve hadley. you can imagine what had happened had there been an appropriate mirror image. in any case, it's part of an area that's sensitive to them, remains sensitive, as you and others have noted. and one we sometimes don't appreciate the importance that they attach to these countries and we saw that again in ukraine in 2013-2014. >> thank you very much. >> a footnote? >> yes. >> i was actually deputy secretary who signed the instruction to the american ambassador in moldova responding to the kozak memorandum. the way the president vernon came to us, he told our ambassador, i had this memorandum, the kozak memorandum. i proposed to sign it. i would like an american endorsement. he was asking the europeans to do the same thing. we took a look at the memorandum and our conclusion is, it's unworkable because it basically gave translisria the breakaway of moldova the ability to -- moldova said we want to draw closer to european. we ent back and said it's not our place not to sign this, you know, yo

melissa: relates back to all of this, hadley heath manning, erin elmore a trump surrogate. steve murphy, a democratic strategist. thanks to all of you for joining us today. i want to put up email from huma abedin, she says if hrc was not part of it, the meet something non-start ir. the king personally committed 12 million for the endowment and support the meeting. she created this mess and she knows it. hadley, huma abedin is calling this a mess, it seems because here you have hillary clinton who just announced she was going to run for office and she is taking $12 million from a foreign government, which looks terrible, is a total conflict of interest. it is a country with a mixed human rights record at best. how do you react to that? >> well, i agree, it's a mess. what else can you say about it. this sun fortunately another example of pay for play. it is another example for scandal and laundry list of scandals that the clintons have faced, it cast as lot of doubt how mrs. clinton would govern? is she type of president who will treat all americans fairly or take the pay for play