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birds to talk to you about it. >> host: burton folsom what do you say right about? >> guest: i usually write about economic history. i'm interested in entrepreneurs and the rise of the niceties becoming a world power and what propelled the united states to achieve the greatness and if you had to narrow that down into a semi-sound bite what would that be? >> guest: i would say the rise in the united states and the ability of entrepreneurs in the free market setting with property rights to establish tremendous economic development. >> host: where did you two meet? >> guest: wei at murray state university in kentucky when burt came there to work and he was a very young fellow fan and i was a lot younger but i graduated and we ended up working in at the department and he was there as a very young teacher, so we have met and began dating. >> host: are you from kentucky? >> guest: i'm originally from western kentucky, may feel. guess what she was the best student in first class i taught at murray state university. i did not date her until actually she graduated that i hav

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