joining me now to discuss trump's infrastructure and jobs plans are: laura bliss, a writer for citylab, which is part of atlantic media here in new york; and in washington, binyamin appelbaum, a correspondent for the "new york times." laura, the american society for civil engineers gave the u.s. infrastructure a d-plus rating. why does it deserve a d-plus rating? how did we get to a d-plus rating? >> yeah, it's a great question, and i think most americans actually have pretty firsthand experience just driving on highways and losing time and money and productivity, facing roads that have really been not adequately maintained. and what we're look at, according to the american society of civil engineers, is actually something to the tune upon a $3 trillion infrastructure spending gap. so that's, you know, the difference between what we are spending and what we're not to keep our roads, as well as our bridges, our airports, our transit system, our ports, really functioning and serving the american public. >> stewart: what's an example of recent of recent d-plus fail in infrastructure? >> y