i grabbed another co-founder, john gar havevi we put together mission for him. grow a plant on the surface of mars using a russian roegt to get it there. went to moscow with mike griffin. went to buy the rockets. visit two different companies. they literally treated elon as if he wasn't serious. told him one called him a little boy. the other spat on his shoes out of disrespect and quite a humorous time and we left and got on the plane and mike and i were ready to leave and will elon had been working on his computer on the plane and turned around to us and said you dpguy we can build this rocket ourselves. there's a whole graveyard of people who said the same thing and tried the same thing. no, i've got a spreadsheet. we start making jokes, but what had happened, elon in the process of doing this mission study for mars had been hanging around with john garvy and john was building rockets. sgll fast forward to vector, your rocket system. you went small. is there a market for how small is small as far as the satellite you're lobbing to orbit. >> if you look at how