>> host: hillsdale college president larry arn, what was your goal with your book, "churchill's trial: winston churchill and the salvation-free government," what are we going to learn? >> guest: ing by my goal in the book was to state that, and so that's what i set out to do. >> host: what did you learn? >> guest: oh, a lot. the book was much harder to write than i thought it would be. by the time i started the book, i'd been studying churchill for about 40 years. it takes that long, i think. he wrote so very much. and i made the author's terrible mistake of being, thinking it would be relatively easy compared to other things i've written. it was much harder than i thought because when you start writing it down and you start trying to give an account of the main things in his life, things he thought, things he stood for, things he advocated or defended, turns out they relate to one another more deeply and in more complex ways than i had imagined. and i came to understand him better, i hope and think, and it was a painful process. >> host: did you approach this book from a fan's perspe

larry arn joins us. thank you for being with us. >> hey, brit. thank you. it's good to talk to you again. >> how did we get to a place in american education where passing out the constitution on a college campus can get new trouble with the police? >> well, the bureaucratic rules, right? solicitation policy. when i heard you read that i wondered if we had one at hillsdale college and i don't know but i would be astonished if we do. and, remember, the kids who do these crazy things, they are mostly doing what they're being taught in class. and what are they taught in class? there are these identity groups. and the white one is the one that's not so good. and so their understanding their ability to learn is supposed to be conditioned by what identity group they're members of and they demand recognition for their groups. and that pits the campuses at war with each other. but, gracious, i mean, if you're handed out copies of the constitution, you wouldn't do anything about it unless it becomes a nuisance and people can't get to class and then you just ask them

. >> host: hillsdale college president larry arn, what was your goal with your book, "churchill's trialinston churchill and the salvation-free government," what are we going to learn? >> guest: ing by my goal in the book was to state that, and so that's what i set out to do. >> host: what did you learn? >> guest: oh, a lot. the book was much harder to write than i thought it would be. by the time i started the book, i'd been studying churchill for about 40 years. it takes that long, i think. he wrote so very much. and i made the author's terrible mistake of being, thinking it would be relatively easy compared to other things i've written. it was much harder than i thought because when you start writing it down and you start trying to give an account of the main things in his life, things he thought, things he stood for, things he advocated or defended, turns out they relate to one another mo