michael. it's people like sherry bustoes from illinois and matt cartwright from pennsylvania and hakeem jeffries you very much. we'll see what happens. thanks for being on the show. >> joining us now, author and msnbc contributor anand giridharadas. get me right. >> gear ed huh rods. >> how was the family meeting? how were the holidays? >> family thanksgiving in california, so the weather was an improvement. but i have to say, you know, because of genetic laws, my family looks a lot like me. for people who look like us, it was the first thanksgiving my parents have been here since the late '70s. the first thanksgiving i think we celebrated with a measure of fear about the year to come. >> mm-hmm. >> physical fear, fear about what will happen to people who look like us and people of many other kinds in this country. and we're talking about the flag burning. >> right. >> thing earlier today. and that was a two-part issue where there was a flag burning as the crime that he wants to crimin criminalize and the punishment was the stripping of citizenship. when i think about the fear that i think we we