we talked to michael shear, philip rucker, ken stern and joshua green. >> steve and breitbart are professionals and provocateurs around trade and government, anti-washington, anti-establishment, so he's sort of an extraordinarily outside figure to be mr. inside the white house. i don't think i've seen anything like it in my lifetime. >> rose: we conclude with michele norris of npr remembering her very good friend and our champion here at pbs, gwen ifill, who died at age 61. >> people know her for her toughness. but think about it, charlie, when you think of an image of gwen, what comes in your mind? probably a smiling face. >> rose: a smile. yes, and yet she was tough, but she was accessible. >> rose: donald trump and the shaping of an administration, and remembering the great journalism and the great person, gwen ifill, when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose.

also with us, joshua green and philip rucker and michael shear.ell me -- where do you think trump is? before we focus on steve bannon, tell me where you think the principal point might be coming out soon? >> where we are is in a much more chaotic place than you normally are a week after the election. the reporting we have done at the times and phil and folks have done elsewhere, the transition has been rocky. they had to change leadership in the first couple of days, ended up pushing out chris christie and an entire team. now they are working to put together the first big announcements after mr. bannon and the announcement of chief of staff. we are waiting for rudy giuliani, former mayor of new york. jeff sessions, senator from alabama, two names that have been bandied about. we do not have much of a sense of timing. there is no real communication from the transition team to reporters about a timing we might expect or particular role. charlie: tell me about chris christie. what happened to him? was it simply infighting? jockeying for power? or was

also with us, joshua green and philip rucker and miae

. >>> let's turn to philip rucker. the national correspondent for "the washington post." we have to talk about romnmitt romney and donald trump subpoenaspending the weekend together. in terms of his policies, he is moderate than the picks we have seen from donald trump already. there is no love said about trump during the campaign. unqualified and phony. let's assume they bury the hatchet this weekend. is he qualified for the job? >> he is qualified for the job. he would be a cerebral statesman that donald trump is considering. one difference is the views on russia. you may remember the 2012 campaign. romney called russia our number trump wants to mend fences. >> let's talk about the other names out there. former mayor rudy giuliani. john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. and nikki haley. a rising star in the republican party. a new governor of south carolina. >> nikki haley is the most intriguing of the names. she doesn't have the tradition al foreign policy she is smart. she's a quick study. she can promote trump's vision. she doesn't have her hardened world view li

the headline in "the washington post," philip rucker, trump keeps eye on state department despite scornhere. and we'll see what happens. >> yeah. >> you know, he has two choices now, probably. he's probably -- he could go with mitt romney and go big. and take a chance. or he can go with bob corker and play it safe. if he goes with bob corker, who is going to be upset at bob corker? donald trump, i don't see donald trump cowering in his corner saying, oh, all these people that mitt romney beat in 2012 might get mad at me if i go big. >> and i don't think anyone is saying that. i'm just talking about operationally and functionally, the question is how much of that noise do you want internally? donald trump doesn't care. he likes the disorder. >> but michael, michael, the only noise internally based on all of my sources is kellyanne. does bannon like it? no, but he's not feg to go out publicly and say anything about it. people around donald trump understand. what did you say? who is the last person in the room with donald trump? >> donald trump, and also, the one thing we do know about don