but i just love that -- why did you pick saugerties? how did you get there? >> well, we had come from the city, from new york, to find a a place where we wouldn't be disturbing anybody. every time we tried to make music, somebody would be "hey, turn it down in there." and -- and i really felt i had this yearning to have a a workplace, a sanctuary. somewhere that we could go and make all the music we wanted and nobody would say anything, and we found it. it was in the middle of a a hundred acres. and so we went there and spent so much time making music. the amount of noise that came out of that place is -- i'm to the band, you think? i mean, because you were already great. you were the hawks right? >> yeah. but this was when we had to -- to make our discovery. we had played -- you know, when i was a kid, when i was 16, i joined ronnie hawkins and the hawks. then it was the hawks. and then levon and the hawks. and then we hooked up with bob dylan. and then after that, it was time for us to make our move. and our move, we needed to find a workshop, a clubhouse,