>> you look at the fast fashions, zarras. they're not building on sale. that doesn't mean you can't have sales. you have to have the right fashions which is a lack of this year, and you have to be able to do it quickly and timely. it is one of the best examples. it's not -- they have very little internet business and business is well. h & m is doing well. look at tj maxx. costco is another store that's not doing a big deal. now those people who only have been an outgoing bricks and mortar and parkers and those are the people who have seen the importance of doing it. amazon sees for them to continue to grow, they need to be able to have a visual, personal space which is a store. i think stores will always be around. i think they'll always be the majority of the business, but the retailers of the past have to understand how to utilize it. they have to understand who their customer is today. it's different than it was 10, 20 years ago. >> allen, pleasure. >> nice to be a with you. velvet is in. >> velvet's in, joe. >> is it ever out? >> it does, but it's now