jim buchanan said don't be romantic about it it's not good versus evil and i think the democracy creates bad incentives. one of the criticisms that i think has been common particularly in the conservative literature is based on the quote democracy can only exist until the majority discovers out of the public treasury. but you don't think that is an accurate criticism of democracy. >> guest: when people like hamilton, madison and the founders were writing about this, it was largely self-interest of the voting and what would happen is that we would bargain with one another, constitutional republic. the philosophers don't think that is interesting perhaps but in the republican form of government he will b we will ber the self-interest but ideally we will reach compromise. it was a reasonable hypothesis but to my surprise it is a huge empirical literature testing the claiofthe claim are the voting selfishly and they keep finding the answer is no. every time someone got the answer they felt that can't be right is tested in a different way. then there's 50 papers showing the same thing. so the

jim buchanan said don't be romantic about it. it is conservative literature based on the quotes it's not fair that anybody actually said democracy can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself out of the public treasury. and you don't think that is an accurate criticism of democracy. >> host: >> guest: when people like hamilton and madison were writing about this, what would happen in the democracy we would bargain with one another and it would be a constitutional republic. republic. philosophers don't think that is an interesting distinction but in the form of government we would reach compromise and have a self-interest. it was a pretty reasonable hypothesis. but to my surprise i started studying this is a huge empirical literature claiming that they are voting selfishly. and if they keep finding the answer is no. one of the reason is ever this y time someone got the answer now they thought that can't be right what's tested a different way. the next thing you kno you knows 50 papers showing the same thing. so i

buchanan was a waffler. james polk aided him for being a waffler as secretary of state. himlways -- jim hated for being a waffler secretary of state. he always went back and force. now they memorial service for u.s. senator and astronaut john glenn who died on december 8 at the age of 95. among those speaking at the service, vice president joe biden and john glenn's children lynden david. about two hours. [no audio] ♪ [bagpipes] >> please be seated. welcome to this celebration of a life of service. we come from many faiths and perspectives. brought together by a desired to remember and honor the life of john glenn. service we won't began to capture the depths and s of the-- breadth life he lived but we will try. theill also celebrate unfailing promises of god. we remember love for us is stronger than death. today, we hold fast to that truth as we celebrate senator glenn's life. now, please join me in our call to worship. before god spoke the first word of creation, there was love. when we draw our last breath and leave this world, love will be waiting for us. then let us worship god. ♪