mister roscoe, with this reset to testify panelists, was a reset not making a report, not meeting increasing targets. >> it did come up. and to be available in terms of how much volume is available, whether or not the industry -- >> we keep talking in circles, the problem we have is what is available depends on regulatory certainty and i recognize the marketplace and we are a big producer of oil so we understand what is happening with oil but the frustration for me, what is available what is available what is available, depends on what capital investment, and innovation is going to depend on regulatory certainty so we are in this spiral that deeply concerns me and when you discuss the reset, what if we hadn't had regulatory uncertainty, what if these targets remained available? we would have the ability to amp up and meet the requirements under the law or targets under the law. >> i don't think we heard a lot of people say if epa had maintained statutory target that they would have been met. what they did say is going forward, reducing regulatory uncertainty improves marginally the investmen

rusco for the government accountability office, leaving work on a broad spectrum of energy issues, mister roscoeholds a masters degree in economics from the university of washington and seattle. jenna mccabe is the acting and mistreat of the via environmental protection agency, having previously served in the oa ours principal deputy to the assistant administrator. mister mccain was the executive director of improving kids environments incorporated in indianapolis and from 1993 to 2005 leadership positions in the management office of air quality. mister mccain served as attorney general in massachusetts, graduated from harvard in 1980 and harvard law school in 1983. thank you both for being here and i would recognize the ranking member for opening statements. >> thank you mister chairman and my great apologies for being a little late, it's been a crazy day. first off i want to thank both are women's for attending the hearing, this follows on our hearing of last june on the rfs and in that hearing we discussed pathways, issues we saw with the epa management program and the staff and i'm glad epa