rick stengel joins us. welcome be a to civilian life. kimberly, great to see you. doris and michael. let me start with the former rnc chair. first of all -- >> that was fun. >> it's clear that they want to -- that the trump folks want to zero in on this narrow question about whether the rnc was hacked. a former head of the rnc, what do you know? >> what i do know is all the -- reince was right in terms of what the fbi has reported back to them, that there was no hacking, per se, of the rnc. that's been a very clear. i think where the cross was, was on the distinction between whether or not trump is going to accept the report of the cia that says that there was evidence that the russians were involved generally in this race. not necessarily specifically with hacking the rnc. there's no evidence of that. but with respect to their involvement, their fingerprint on this election, that's the question. >> look, there's two parts to this story. i can see this is why reince is unhappy. the first partwas russia involved in hacking institutions and generally creating discord