. >> host: let's try to sum up in some way, if you were to let's as back at usta and everything was perfect when i was there and it's all change that said. actually think our current secretary has done a good job dealing with these issues, let's go through the list of priorities that you think need to be done to make food safer but also in the context of a agriculture that is realistic. when i can i go back to 150 million small farms. >> guest: thank you for saying that. in fact, i have have this debate frequently in academic circles where people want us to go back and i always say the analogy of the car, went they were first on the market everybody wants the car and that took certain pathways and one thing we did was put lead in the gasoline so they run their and so the engine wasn't very efficient so we realize cars were not actually very safe people would have a small collision and be killed to be go back to her some buggy? no. we introduce the catalytic converter and we required seatbelts and airbags so there's nothing about industrialization that can't be fixed. i think the benefits th

it was really important for usta to get a centralized plan and the idea was that it would not let a thousandflowers bloom, but more like a modular floweroi factory that was franchiseder across all the states. and so, we had to get them to work on a centralized plan but we had to distribute the works of people could do it across date and time. we knew we couldn't manage them to do office work, that we could divide it up i would have to have them manage each other to do the work if we're actually going to get an imac. this is an enormous organizing challenge that we had to basically figure out from scratch. >> so one of your key innovations is technology, how to turn a mass meeting into something that plugs almost every person attending the meeting into a really generativ. role of running its own bank. the barnstorm model. compact and a little bit for us because that is probably the most important organizing innovation in the campaign and you write about it a lot in the book. >> it makes sense and i will try to put it in context. g there was a structure to get people into a room like this. the

welfare usta, georgia, recipient. mark, thank you for waiting, you are on now. pedromrchlt murray, can you hear me? any chance?teran by caller: i am not. joined marine corps at 18, after the vietnam war. eft springfield, illinois, we had a huge caterpillar industry, there.s no longer friday age 18 to age 30, came home and that is now a business plan, so there are no jobs there. i guess what we've watched and you're old enough to know better, we've watched jobs leave americans are left with needing help and i fellow americans or my fellow veterans or nonveterans for that. that is where the hedge fund money went, made money overseas. you, mr. murray, anything with friday age 18 to , came home and that is now attac enterprise institute says privatization and means less , which for the people and more for -- even you yourself would probably off by your owners, your bankers. nothing personal against you, azation, anything public is handed over to private nterprise works good for a couple weeks and then the wheel come off. i'm bright enough to know having served in ma