and we find it not in the traditional defense industry but when you find a solution with ibm, boogle, -- google. i'm very pleased that they said yes, we are interested to work with you this morning. host: that's an interesting question, because i know the pentagon just in the united states alone has challenged engaging with these nontraditional players. government can be very challenging in terms of procurement and regulations, so you look at an organization like nato, how do you enable those companies to work seamlessly? gen. mercier: advances. and how do we do that? it is our role now. think --our role to and put an effect on the table and advise the industry. and invite the industry in terms of, look, here is the problem. how do you think we can fix it in 10, 15 years? do more -- this is just a change of mindset. we have started doing this to choose a replacement with the radar. we word requirements that describe what in 2035 we think surveillance and control is. now, do wen that need to do war gaming, test architectures, and associate the industry to do that. based on that, we wil