you, in your book, get kindre of dark, and the darkest part, dennis wilson gets involved with charles you first heard about that, did you have any idea how bad this manson was? >> oh, no. nobody did. we knew he was weird. dennis comes home from a tour we had been on, and charlie and the girls were living at his house. >> they moved into dennis wilson's house? >> they moved in. and they took cars, clothing, anything that wasn't nailed down. >> did dennis wilson think he was strange? >> well, let's put it this way. why are you so upset today, dennis. i was out at the ranch, i saw charlie taking m-16 rifle and throw a black cat, meaning an african-american guy, a black cat in half and stuff him down a well at the ranch. >> he killed a guy? b >> yes. >> did you believe that story? >> that is what i was told by dennis. >> the other chilling part is susan atkins, one of the manson killers, babysat your kids. >> yeah, that's right. >> you didn't know at the time that susan atkins was a killer. >> no, no, no. that all became revealed after. >> did it ever occur to you, when you were a 21, 22-