so it was kathrada, tom bo, becky, anc, the pac, the international community, you know, all of it. >>r the first time someone heard about the story and were shocked, wait, white people went to jail with mandela? yeah,. >> over 100 co-conspirators were on trial every day for four years in pretoria, every day for four years. >> trevor: when you look at what's happening in america now -- >> oh, god, yes. ( laughter ) >> trevor: -- you look at the movements and what people are trying to start from the ground up. >> sure. >> trevor: i guess i have my experiences as a south african, but i only have those. you've delved into the world of south african existence and now seek americans trying to do the same thing. is there any connection between the two. >> a huge connection goes back to the civil rights movement because you have to remember the apartheid movement was hatching while the civil rights move the was happening here, while the berlin wall and thing in east germany was happening, so all these were interrelated. the world was still very much a small place then, and our behaviors all o

i asked ahmed kathrada who was in jail with him, you know, how did they manage to just persevere howeverd we knew we were right and we knew we were going to win. so, the idea that they knew that they were correct, that, you know, inequality and prejudice and those kind of things just don't make any sense for all of us is just, you know, it was really inspiring. >> i'm loving it because we got a lot of students that are here in our audience and for them you make sure you see this. it's a wonderful series. you are -- thank you. always, always a privilege. >> you're welcome. thank you. thank you. [ applause ] >> "madiba," a three-part story of nelson mandela premieres february 1st on b.e.t. we're going to be right back. [ cheers and applause ] anything with a screen is a tv. stream 130 live channels, plus 40,000 on demand tv shows and movies, all on the go. you can even download from your x1 dvr and watch it offline. only xfinity gives you more to stream to any screen. download the xfinity tv app today. >>> back here on a wednesday morning. this is harlan. can you give them a smile now? i'l