robert kuttner, good to have you back on this program, sir. >> thanks so much for having me.s for doing what you do. >> thank you, sir. let me jump right in. are progressives about to get steam-rolled for the next four years? >> i don't think so. i think at this point their best ally is donald trump because trump is so impulsive and so crazy that he's making so many mistakes that he's making it easier for democrats. take for example the attack on john lewis. at that point, there were only five or six democrats who were going to boycott the inaugurati inauguration. that blossomed to several dozen. look what he did to undermine his allies, his supposed allies among the republicans in congress on repeal of the affordable care act. he announced that he's for universal coverage. he declared war on the drug companies. so the republicans in congress must be jumping out the nearest window. and because the guy is such a loose cannon, he creates openings for democrats. and for instance, now democrats can go to republicans -- there are lots of efforts in congressional districts of repub

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join me next time for a conversation with robert kuttner about how progressives survive the next fourrs under donald trump as president. that's next time. we'll see you then. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >>be >>> good evening from los angeles. i'm tavis smiley. tonight, a conversation with john heilemann, co-author of the best-selling political "game change" and "double down," "game change 2012." heilemann is co-managing editor of bloomberg politics and behind the documentary "trumped." coming up, a conversation about what the first 100 days will look like and more. we're glad you've joined us. john heilemann coming up right now. ♪