david: peter gruber. >> jonathan gruber. >> jonathan gruber, we'll get it there. >> i think this republican. i think we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make health care insurance what it should be, which is insurance rather than a means of providing health care. there's a back doorway to the individual mandate, still has preexisting conditions, huge subsidies, with tax credits. we're going the wrong way here. david: well, and sabrina and they make work that out, the republicans, because the president wants to be the mediator between the two groups. focusing again on the calls from democrats like gruber that this is a scam, for all that they've been football for, is it really fair for them to call this a scam? >> this is the pot calling the kettle black. if i recall, obamacare was passed in the middle of the night. i don't think a whole lot of transparency. if we want to talk about transparency, one thing we need in health care is transparency, price transparency so consumers know what they cost and should cost and we do not have that under obamacare and that's the direction we ough

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liz: we've got bernie sanders and the democrats, even jonathan gruber said this that obamacare was a halfway house, a step toward single pair. bernie sanders is now pushing that. did the republicans miss the boat here? >> well, i think jim jordan was right when he said, look, this was not exactly being received to the standing ovation of the american people at 17% like it. look, here's a better idea, and it's not bernie sanders. why don't we give americans the same health care coverage that congress has? why don't we let them what members of congress already have. which, by the way, includes competition over states. it includes they only pick out what they want in a cafeteria of plans including health savings accounts, major medical catastrophic. so why don't we do that? and if somebody in congress says, well, that might be too expensive. well, instead of paying more, why don't we just cut the benefits that congress gets until we have the same policy that everybody can access and members of congress can take the cut rather than a lot of working families. liz: let me call you on that

. >> let's bring in jonathan gruber, widely credited as being the architect of the affordable care act. republicans and some democrats agree that at the very least obamacare needs repair. i'm curio to get yr thoughts. is that true? is there something that is not working with obamacare? and if so, what is it? >> thank you for having me. look, obamacare is working as was designed. which means that it is greatly improved our health care system. it's covered 20 million uninsured individuals. it's fixed a broken individual market where people could be excluded because they were sick. has it solved all the problems in health insurance? no, it hasn't. that's why it needs to be improved. and so the answer here is not to tear down what's worked for millions and millions of americans but to look at what isn't working. for example, health care costs are still too high. out of pocket costs are still too high for some lower income families. we need to address that. there are other things that need to be addressed. but moving backwards as the republican alternative does doesn't fix anything, it just

we all know what -- steve: jonathan gruber?bill written in tortured way to make sure the cbo did not score the mandate as taxes. if the cbo scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. they made a program that they knew that the cbo would score inaccurately in order to get it past. now seven years later we are stuck with the corpse. ainsley: this is the same guy who said the american people are too stupid to figure it out. steve: tricked the cbo essentially? brian: that's what to keep in mind today. steve: look, the cbo number is this. ainsley: they called it mandates instead of attacks and that tricked the cbo? brian: absolutely. hook, line, and sinker. who actually want a single pair plan the cbo people. steve: there is a lot of talk about hilton care. mick mulvaney did say one thing over the weekend and that was this is just a starting point. this is a framework. we are open for negotiation. ainsley: bowling and pizza gentleman. steve: bowling and pizza tomorrow night. we're not invited, dang gone it. how you can order pizza f

. >> jonathan gruber one of the architects of obamacare called it essentially the plan you put forwarded if it's implemented a quote scam. you're reaction to that would be what? >> i think that the plan he helped create hasn't done so well for americans seeking health insurance. again, i don't have to go to the numbers but just think about what he shouought out to do, th was a pool of people that needed health care, they got 14 plus minus or more that don't qualify for any other assistance who can't afford obamacare and another 6 million plus that have chosen to pay the penalty so i would argue that just on what he shou sought to achieve different result much. in the one that is did get it their premiums have gone sky high and had a tremendous affect through the rest of the health care system so even the people who weren't affected by obamacare initially now pay higher premiums and less choices, so even those who get employer based health care, they felt the impact through higher prices, fewer choices so respectfully i think he should hang out more time at m.i.t. and allow good ideas to

the affordable care act, i think they had it scored at 800-some billion dollars according to jonathan gruber, but the real numbers are $2.6 trillion. if you look at the numbers that cbo estimate would be there by 2016 there would be over 20 million people signed on the affordable care act. if you look at reality it was less than half of that. >> the numbers if this goes into effect a year from now 14 million more people will be without health insurance. >> i'll get to that. >> i suspect, congressman, a lot will be in florida. >> cbo said there will be 20 to 24 million -- >> this is a new cbo leadership named by tom price when he was chairman of the budget committee. he's now secretary of health and human services, led by a republican, highly respected and you're saying you don't respect his word. >> tom price -- >> i am talking about the head of the cbo named by tom price to lead. >> if you look at the numbers they were wrong about the numbers. >> that was a different team. this is a new leadership, led by the republicans. >> if you look at the numbers that they said were going to pay it was

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let's discuss with mit professor jonathan gruber, one of the art te tects of obamacare. for everyone these changes made last night by republicans to try to make it more palatable to some holdouts on the republican side. i'll go through them and you can tell me what you see. those block grants for medicaid, now optional by state. imposing medicaid work requirement, now optional, by state. preventing the medicaid expansion. here's an interesting one, reserving $75 billion worth of tax credit funds for older americans, because as you'll recall, they were seen as being hit hard by the first version of this bill. repealing obamacare taxes this year. and then adding this new york medicaid provision. professor, what do you see here? >> well, there's a lot of stuff here. why don't we start with the money for the elderly. so one of the striking points in the cbo report was that the cost for older americans who are low-income would go up almost tenfold under the republican alternative. they're going to throw a small amount of money at this. remember, $75 billion is over ten years,

remember jonathan gruber. mit professor and architect of obamacare. is he now slamming the g.o.p.'f they're happy with that and willing to do that then they can replace. i wouldn't call that a replacement, i would call that a scam. abby: same man to described americans stupid for allowing obamacare to pass. listen. >> transparency is a huge political advantage. basically call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting this thing to pass. abby: gruber also admitting that he helped fool the congressional budget office by describing the obamacare taxes as mandates. horrifying picture showing a come's burnt face after her head phones explode 30,000 feet in the air. look at that she fell asleep listening to music on a flight beijing to australia when she woke up to sparks and flames shooting out. investigators say it was probably the lithium ion batteries inside the head phones that started the fire. no word yet on the brand of those head phones. also ben affleck confessing that he just completed a stint in rehab for alc

so jonathan gruber famously said that in order to get enacted he had to rely on the stupidity of the american people. and this tax the we are talking about the 3.8% additional tax on investment income is another failed component of the ill-conceived and ill drafted and bill imposed affordable care act. i am sorry mr. gruber mr. gruber, regardless of your opinion of the american people, they figured it out. the american people are smarter than they understand if you tax something you get less. that is basic and you were supposed to be an economist. so taxing investment you get less investment with middle and class -- middle-class declines. that is what we saw from the obama presidency. middle-class in calms decline? and home ownership is the way most americans built wealth drop to the 50 year lows and during his industry shin the economy never once reached its historical average of 3% growth in and worst of that, if they about this, worst of all that they would not have the same opportunities that they had the american people have figured you out. and for them to opportunity i'll will

. >> reporter: let me get the reaction to jonathan gruber, one of the architects of obamacare. he calls it essentially the plan you put forward that the plan is a, quote, scam, your reaction would be what? >> i think the plan he helped create hasn't done well for americans seeking health insurance. i have to go over the numbers ai there was a pool of people that needed health care. they got about nine million of them. you got 14.4 plus or minus million people who claimed a hardship exemption. they have no insurance, they're not receiving medicaid. they don't qualify for any assistance, who can't afford obamacare, and then you've got another six million plus that have chosen to pay the penalty. so i would argue that just on what he sought to achieve in the plan that he helped craft didn't achieve too many great results. of the people that did get it, premiums have gone sky high, choices have gone down and single handedly had a tremendous effect through the rest of the health care system, so people who weren't affected by obamacare initially have now paid higher premiums and get

. >> let me get your reaction to jonathan gruber one of the architects of obamacare. he put the plan that you put forward if it's implement a quote scam. your reaction to that would be what? >> i think the plan that he helped create hasn't done owe well for americans seeking health insurance. again, i don't have to go over the numbers but just think about what he sought out to do. i mean, there was a pool of people that needed hlth care. they got about 9 million of them. you have got 14.4 plus or minus million of people who claimed a hardship exemption. so they have no insurance, they are not receiving medicaid that don't qualify for any other assistance who can't afford obamacare. and then you have got another 6 million plus that have chosen to pay the penalty. so i would argue that just on what he sought to achieve in a plan that heelped craft didn't achieve too many great results. of the people that did get it, their premiums have gone sky high, their choices have gone down and single handedly had a tremendous effect through the rest of the health care system. so p

jonathan gruber the architect of obamacare, he said blatantly we played the sound bites for you yesterdayaid we can trick the cbo call them mandates and not taxes and they will pass this thing through. steve: was that the obama administration. i would hope the trump administration more for the coming. newt gingrich speaker of the house once upon a time he said the cbo, actually, they should just get rid of it. did you see him last night with martha? watch this. >> they should abolish the congressional budget office it is corrupt. it is dishonest. it was totally wrong on obamacare by huge, huge margins. i don't trust a single word they have published and i don't believe them. let me be very clear. i helped balance the budget four straight times the only time in your lifetime. we fought the congressional budget office every time. when obamacare came out, they used the architect of obamacare as their advisor on how to score obamacare and their scoring, did you go back and look at it, it is a totally dishonest, disgustingly wrong, and it is the -- that whole thing should be abolished. they sh

. >> secondly, let me get your reaction to jonathan gruber, one of the architects of obamacare. he called essentially the plan that you've put forward, if it's implemented, a "scam." your reaction to that would be what? mr. spicer: i think that the plan that he helped create hasn't done so well for americans seeking health insurance. again, i have to go to the numbers. but just think about what he sought out to do. there was a pool of people that needed healthcare -- they got about 9 million of them. you got 14.4-plus-or-minus million of people who claimed a hardship exemption -- so they have no insurance -- that are not receiving medicaid -- that don't qualify for any other assistance, who can't afford obamacare. and then you've got another 6 million-plus that have chosen to pay the penalty. so i would argue that just on what he sought to achieve in the plan that he helped craft didn't achieve too many great results. of the people that did get it, their premiums have gone sky high, their choices have gone down, and singlehandedly had a tremendous effect through the rest of the

professor and architect of obamacare, jonathan gruber. welcome to you both.h, do you have any expectations from the cbo scoring and how that's going to affect passage of this bill? >> yeah, i expect that this score will probably come in showing that the costs of the bill will be probably in the hundreds of billions of dollars increasing the deficit. having said that though, these cbo numbers are not rock solid in that if you google cbo fan chart you'll see a chart in congressional testimony from the congressional budget office where they show a wide variation of the potential outcomes from the scores. this is sort of the middle ground of what it could be. the congress will take this under advisement and consideration as they craft this bill. they may consider future changes. they could say we think we've got this wrong and proceed with their own analysis of the bill. >> jonathan, is there a set of numbers that could come out of the cbo this afternoon that would make you supportive of this republican bill? >> no, quite frankly not. as paul cruise mkrugman, thi

this is from jonathan gruber, and he was actually employed by the democrats to work -- and ite was called the architect of the affordable care act. and he said: in terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed, okay? lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. and basically, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass. and "the thing" was the affordable care act. just wondering what your thoughts are on this. >> my belief, congressman, is that americans are smart. they know they're being forced on to plans they can't afford and can't use. young people figured it out very quickly, they were being overcharged. and the rest of america now knows this is a sinking ship, obamacare, and it will take so many of them down. and that congress needs to act now. and at the end of the day, you correct me, but americans want to be in control of their health care, not

jonathan gruber, the lack of transparency and the stupidity of the america yt voter helped it passed and they want toll blame the republicans for wrecking health care. this is what they passed on us. at this time, i would like to introduce congressman carter, who is the only pharmacist serving nrl congress as a health care professional. he is the kee chair of the committee on he and witnessed firsthand the problems that the government regulations and red tape. large and small and i want to remind folks, 22,000 pages of rules and regulations that came out of the affordable care act. and i'm pleased to yield to the gentleman from georgia, ongressman carter. awediologyist who dose not benefits. they exercise regularly and watch their nutrition and fortunate not to have problems and they have a 28-year-old son. premium ob on health ncreased 124% and in total their 2016 annual premiums were 19,20 for bob $ and kim. they shuven helpful they could change their plan for something more affordable. but thanks to the affordable care act that wasn't the case. his year, only one one affordable ca

ainsley: as long as it's not jonathan gruber.hird visit to the white house. it looks like he is helping et republicans take apart the affordable care act and replace it with something that works. ainsley: something else he touched on yesterday that i thought was important for the american worker. we had pete interviewing the guy in the hard hat. miner, coal worker. he just said i need to put food on the table for of my family. jobs are important for me. president trump said we have lost 60,000 factories to china since 2001. who have joined which china joined the world trade organization. he is saying we are tired of sacrificing our middle class so that other countries and other foreign countries can profit off of our middle class. is he saying no more of that this is going toned. brian: chinese leader coming to mar-a-lago in a couple of weeks as far as the secretary of state will blow up the nato summit important to meet with china. the president did not bring tum. no it would bring up more issues. james comey went to capitol hil