they want a corporate state of a kind we have exampled from frankly juan peron's argentina. this is came up under ronald reagan. >> it always seemed donald trump was a third party candidate and the only way a third party candidate could win the whitehouse was to take one of two parties and both parties are hollowed out in terms of institutional forces that could prevented that, that he did it. in that case if donald trump tried to redefine the republican party along populist lines how does that work given who the leadership is in the house and the senate. mitch mcconnel is populist, paul ryan is populist in the sense of changing the tax laws. that seems to me a pretty hard road. >> when you're thinking about the two parties, one way to think about them is purely through an ideologic lens. and another way to think about them is what is the coalition that parties represented. one way to think about it is that over the last 20 or so years the democratic party has evolved into more what you call a bar bell party. it's a party that represents large numbers of working class people