publicemen. the other thing they can do is create awareness essentially for information consumers, that's t news. ee se think of a way to create nutrition labels to information. if you can relay what they are reading, what the quality is over time, then americans can make a better decision about what information they want to consume. they can inform themselves about the outlets they are looking at as much as the information they're receiving. >> is it different -- from what you have seen, is the interaction with the u.s. and any attempts interference, is it different with us than any other countries? >> no. it's a standard play book. the russian propaganda have followed a standard lineage across any of the campaigns. what they normally focus is one putting out very overt communications but empowering them with hacking. so the hacking isn't necessarily just to commit a crime. it's to gain information that compromises their opponents. and then releasing that information out into the news space such