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. >>> also, former white house press secretary ari fleischer joins me live.ear how he says the trump administration is responding to this russia investigation. >>> welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we're getting word that there's been a substantial drop in illegal crossings between the borders of the u.s. and mexico. the number is 67%. down 67% over the first three months of this year compared to last year. the reason for the drop? donald trump. that's according to testimony presented to a senate committee just a short while ago. >> this administration has said we're going to address illegal immigration. i.c.e. has started working in the interior unlike other times. that message resonates. the problem is, it doesn't hold for long unless those substantive actions continue. >> that's a big deal, isn't it? >> it is. it's quite significant. 67% drop. that's an illegal border crossing compared to last year. that's compared to the testimony that david aguilar told senators today. we're still awaiting confirmation. however, a source did provide

the media had to do was google and they would have learned a lot of facts.s here with reaction, ari fleischerisa boothe. ari you kind of -- you kind of experienced a lot of hostility towards president bush. i don't remember laura bush being attacked by melania. i don't remember president bush's daughters being attacked, like barron -- i know his sonsck can handle it but -- anybody in the media like me or any conservative that supports the president. viciously attacked. is this worse than what you have lived through? >> by far, sean. remember when they went after sarah palin's children too? it was very gracious of ivankan to go. she did it for the german chancellor, who asked her to go. the point she was making was donald trump treated women as equals in the construction and business trade, a rough, tough business. if you are a woman in the trump organization, you could rise to the top through merit. she was booed. it tells you how much people don't like donald trump. they are not willing to even listen or give him a chance. >> sean: lisa, look, we were very critical of obama. i never went aft

harder on the process, on rings things that really should matter. >> kimberly: joining us now as ari fleischern the panel yesterday and anthony scaramucci. thank you for being here tonigh tonight. i will start with you, ari, what you think about those claims that the media is tougher on democrats? >> the press largely comes from the left, but the notion of that that means they are harder on the left is nonsensical. have you ever seen more tougher coverage on donald trump right now? i think the press gets credit for being tough on hillary for her email scandal, that was a scandal that was hard to overlook. they were tough on her husband for his monica scandal. another scandal to overlook but when it comes to day in day out coverage, the process so much harder on republicans and democrats and tripoli as hard on donald trump than they are on everybody else. they were soft on barack obama. >> kimberly: anthony, you have been on side, part of the transition team. you experienced it, felt it up close and personal. >> what ari is saying is there's a lot of personal assassination because they don't li

. >> there are other people, we just had ari fleischer on, a former press secretary.board of the jewish republican committee. >> uh-huh. >> he was taking a more forgiving tone towards what sean spicer has to deal with, look, people speak extraneously, let my play for you what ari fleischer said. >> he apologized. he did the right thing to just come out and apologize, you know the notion that this is somehow nefarious or indicative of holocaust denial, i dismiss. i think that's the normal washington, somebody you don't like and when the party you don't like says something you don't like, you say the worst things about him. that's not sean and i know that for a fact. >> ari fleischer, what a crock. here's the problem. it took massive pressure to get that apology. he didn't apologize to wolf blitzer just a few minutes before. that was the third attempt and frankly, how can we have a man speak for president trump who doesn't know basic history? how can possibly our sean spicer press for the president not understand what happened at auschwitz. how do you have that lack of

insights now from former white house press secretary ari fleischer. ari, welcome back.now, many in the media have been critical of president trump for not accomplish enough and not doing enough but i would argue that the one thing that may trump, literally, all of those other shortcomings, if you want to call them that, is the change in the business climate, the change that says to american business you are welcome here, we're not going to get in your way. in fact, we're going to try to get out of your way. and if this president and the administration does nothing but that it sets up for a nice time for business in the markets. >> no question about it but that has to spread to the broader population. all the ingredients economically speaking are there for donald trum top have a successful presidency. when you look at how the markets are up since election day, right track, wrong track, economic confidence is up, business manufacturing index is up. all of that gives reason to believe trump can be successful. regulatory approach is healthy. he needs legislation and he also

that will be full by former white house press secretary ari fleischer who worked on the president george w. bush, and jennifer who served under president obama. also greta van susteren will interview current white house press secretary sean spicer this is expected to start in just a moment. life coverage here on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] while we wait for things to get started at the newseum will show a conversation we had recently with a new member of congress. >> congressman, you are from west point georgia, born and raised. what's west point georgia like? >> it's a remarkable community and its my hometown, something i'm very proud of. the progress that it's made. we were a community that lost really are manufacturing backbone. we was all but one of the largest tech stock companies in the world and we watched some pretty bad policy out of washington d.c. force those jobs overseas. so we lived for a decade and a half in a pretty tough economy. saw generation fall into poverty for the first time in the communities history. it was very refreshing to see our community pull togethe

ari fleischer, putting together some notes for this panel was very interested in the balance between serving the president, the boss, and the needs of the press. as part of that should isolate between what you think we will see up here, this is from right after the inauguration went sean spicer did the briefing about the crowd size. we can see the tweet there for those who are listening online, he says this is called a statement you're told to make by the president and you know the president is watching. >> yeah, that was best saturday beginning to the administration, the inaugural celebration. it was just a foolish endeavor from the start to the end, the notion that crowd size mattered, that the president needed to weigh in on what the size of the crowd was as a validation of his election and poor sean. sean was sent out to argue with the press about it and it was a terrible way for a press secretary to begin relations with the press corps on that saturday night. i sit at the time if sean fumbled the ball on saturday night, he picked it up, recovered and ran for a first down on mond

ari fleischer, and general tata. >> awesome.econd time in three years, the pulitzer prize for poetry went to someone from the city university of new york. won a pulitzer for his poetry, a detroit native come up and on his book for seven years. his fellow poet won back in 2015 for his book. they say that this win shows the value of diversity and ambition in the city of new york system, i would agree. only 21 categories in which you can win a pulitzer. a stunning victory. amazing. >> you have to apply to win. >> that's why you haven't won? >> yeah. [laughter] >> you're going to be very jealous. >> oh! "special report" next! >> this is a fox news alert. i'm threadbare. in washington, the u.s. military has dropped its biggest bomb ever on your terrorists and caves. the device contains 11 tons of explosives. this comes on a a date when president and cia director points the finger directly at russia and the founder of gleeks in a conspiracy against the u.s. kevin corke subject white house with how recent events may be changing the wor

. >> richard, in that same interview ari fleischer read quotes washingsing on how awesome barack obama's pecs are, et cetera. >> put the pecs aside. imagine the hubris of donald trump introducing a piece of legislation that takes up one-sixth of the economy and a website that can only sign up so many people in the fires week and carve out himself and his family out of that bill. i'm in obamacare, but none of the obama administration was. don't you think we'd know that story? nobody in that story knows that story and because of the liberal media. >> you're talking about it. the media covers the web and-- >> i don't know what's gotten him -- this if it's the weekend. >> let other people talk. i've worked for member of congress and lived this, rachel lived this with her husband. there is study after study that contradicts what you said and the hillary clinton campaign who refuses to accept that their campaign was abject failure. 90% of the coverage of donald trump was negative. there was a study under president obama not a single member of the white house press corps was a registered democr

we have heard quite a few times this morning that the , by ari fleischer in particular. fox news is the number one cable channel, right? breitbart. we cannot as i become us as we have without breitbart being included. we are in it was new landscape were there is a broader range of voices in the media generally, and it is because of the internet that has made that possible in general, fox notwithstanding. so that anecdote goes to show the tail is wagging the dog at little bit, as i said. the world is much bigger than the press, and i think the internet has brought in the range of voices dramatically and included literally everybody. just one final point. there is a professor at harvard who did a study of the media landscape on the internet, and actually, the landscape of the right is bigger than the landscape in the center and on the left. one of the other scary things in the analysis he did was that basically there was almost no communication across the divide, just doing a mathematical analysis, which is very disturbing. brian: is that the biggest story of all?the bigge

ari fleischer used to hold that role at the white house.eally interesting to see you react to sean spicer up there. is there anything you would have said different? let's talk first about north korea. there was a big exchange by multiple reporters, a lot of questions fired off about the armada that trump said he was sending to north korea and that group was headed towards australia. the white house's response was it will end up there. you were watching. what was your reaction? >> first, i hoped to begin with gronk. okay. north korea. i think that conversation could have gone to one or two places. one, you defer all questions to the pentagon and let them answer the questions. basically diffuse the issue. it's been prominently reported as it should be or you dig in and say we were wrong then but right now because ultimately it will go to the area. >> it got sticky. >> i'm not slur why the white house is pursuing the we're right strategy. i think i would have referred it to the pentagon. >> and he did ultimately. he went back to that. let's ta

i think ari fleischer would have told you the exact same thing. he was unhappy with coverage then too. >> carrie, what about the issue of policy coverage, substance versus style and palace intrigue? kellyanne saying jeff sessions at border, that was ignored by a lot of news outlets. obviously "politico" and others covered that yesterday. i'm not sure why she said it wasn't covered. what is your impression of lake of lack of policy? >> i covered the obama white house. i started covering him in 2007 and 8 when he was six years and heard exact same thing that the "politico" cared way too much about palace intrigue. didn't cover policy. i was a policy reporter covering health care back then in a way, i would go to them basically hear the same thing and sean spicer said that this morning, that they want us to cover policy and not the palace intrigue. the challenge is that the white house itself is very, very, very focused on palace intrigue, who is up and who is down. not just the press that is engaged in this. like cecelia said this is longstanding co

ari fleischer in particular. i actually found that a very anachronistic point of view i think in fact, fox news is the number one cable channel, right? "breitbart," we couldn't have the session we had here this morning without "breitbart" being represented. we're in a new landscape with where there is a much broader range of voices on, in the media generally and it is because of the internet made that possible in general. fox notwithstanding. but, that anecdote goes to show the tail is wagging the dog a little bit. the world is much bigger than the press. i do think that, you know he, the internet has broaded the range of voices dramatically and included literally everybody. just one final point. there is a professor at harvard who did a study of media landscape on the internet. actually, the landscape of the right is bigger than the landscape in the center and on the left. one of the other scary things in the analysis he did was that basically there is almost no communication across the divides. just doing mathe

joining us is ari fleischer and you must be in a busy place. there's a lot going on. zach, let me start with you. what did you make of the inquiry on the questions? >> it's an attempt once again for the republicans to muddy the waters. they want to talk about everything but the substance and the potential collusion between russians and the trump associates. >> martha: it seems at this moment and there's a lot more to be told in this story there's two sides to this story, the one we're talking now and the one you bring up which is whether or not there was collusion. we know there was russian intervention and certainly attempts to intervene in what people thought about the process what was going on through the e-mai e-mails leaked but ari, would it be unusual in the deputy direct are was reaching out in some way to this former intelligence official from britain that put together this dossier and there may have been offers to pay him for information against donald trump? >> it struck me as odd having read that so-called dossier and buzz feed are the only ones with the te

laura ingraham, kellyanne conway, ari fleischer, herman cain and more guests.l left propaganda destroyed trump media has been out to destroy president trump but also anybody who dares to support him and his policies. that is tonight very important opening monologue. it's no secret that the

form witheum holds a washington post reporter and pulitzer prize winner, ari fleischer and sean spicer. live coverage begins at 8:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2. coverage begins at 10:00 a.m. with kellyanne conway, bob schieffer and a panel of white house reporters. human rights advocates of justice a joint session in the capital ottawa. we will have live coverage at 11:30 a.m. eastern on c-span2. you can watch all of these programs live on c-span.org and listen on the c-span radio app. >> this weekend, c-span cities literary explore the scene and history of charlottesville, virginia. saturday at noon eastern on book tv, we visit the university of virginia to see their exhibit on william faulkner. >> we have a lot of wonderful artifacts from faulkner's time at uva, many that came from uva sources. we have the typewriter that he was issued by the university. we have a jacket that he wore. when you look at the jacket, it is pretty torn up and ready. he likes to keep his close for a long time just clean -- keep his clothes for a long time. >> on sunday at 2:00 p.m. eastern on american history

ari fleischer brought up these positive quotes that were used, positive interview questions when obamaook office. we're not seeing that with donald trump. not here, not anywhere. >> katelyn, you're coming to us from washington d.c. the home base of "the washington post." i can't remember any main street outlet expressing contempt as the "wall street journal" does for donald trump. >> they treat him differently than they would hillary clinton. and jennifer put left wingers on a pedestal with their comments. he said they care about politics more, more interested in government and don't care about making money. so she demonizing journalists with conservative viewpoints that don't let it get in the way of their reporting. that is the laughable. >> stuart: we had a good debate, i'd say. thanks for the plug nor the box business network. thanks one and all. lawmakers getting an earful from voters nationwide over healthcare. nobody is shouting against tax cuts. time for republicans and the president to get cutting taxes? >> stuart: new reaction as the u.s. drops the mother of all bombs on isis

bush, ari fleischer and senior adviser to barack obama dan pfeifer him danner, when you we heard whater said yesterday about how well even hitler never used chemicals on his own people or never used gas, what did you think? >> well, i mean, i was shocked. it was a one of the cardinal rules of communication, whether you are a press communication director or anything else, never make a comparison to the holocaust. it never goes well. it will go down in the anals as the most outrageous ones. i give sean credit for apologizing. it's hard to put the horse back in the barn here. >> meaning what, dan? you think his days are numbered? >> look. i don't know. you can't never really tell what's happening inside the trump white house. i think his days as an effective press secretary one taken seriously be i the white house press core may have been numbered. he may have already crossed that threshold. >> ari, you are also a former george w. bush secretary and on the board for the republican jewish coalition, what do you explain what sean spicer said? >> i think you have to listen to what general m

ari fleischer who was white house spokesman, paul, i mean, obviously a press spokesman does not wantcome the story, this is not the first time for sierra neva sean spicer. can he survive this? >> no, in short. it's not just this outrage, he apologized and i have to accept that policy. it's the whole pattern, the very first thing he did, on his very first day on the job was go out and berate the press and spread falsehoods about the size of the crowd at the inaugural, diminishing not only sean spicer, it's about the white house, about the united states of america. i always say, watch the organ grinder, not the monkey. the president is the organ grinder and he has a penchant for saying -- he's making the president look bad, he's making the united states look bad. >> obviously he caught up in a bad choice of words and dug himself deeper, do you think he can survive? >> yes, of course he will. anderson, it's a hard job to be the press secretary and sean made a bad mistake today, i say that not only as someone who used to sit in that job but as a jewish american who lost a significant num

>> thank you so much to ari fleischer, so wonderful to have you today. speak i hope it was not a sophomore slump. >> i cannot believe sean spicer took up so much of your time. unbelievable. >> good to have you, we will have you back. we will keep it right here for overtime, "happening now" now. >> jenna: fox news alert, white house briefing wrapping up and as usual covering a broad range of topics. >> jon: tensions on the korean peninsula, the house in georgia and a new build to benefit our veterans. recovering all of the news "happening now" ." >> this is a new era. this is a trump era. the lawlessness, abdication of duty to enforce our laws and the catch and release policies of the past are over. >> jon: attorney general jeff sessions sending homeland security secretary john kelly to the southern border in a first joint trip as that trump administration ramps up its crackdown on illegal immigration and the infamous ms-13 gang. democrats come up short in a key congressional race, failing to deliver a knockout blow. many see this race as a sign of things

along with how the president is doing on day 99 today with former white house press secretary ari fleischerca's newsroom hq" at the top of the hour. >> jon: fox news alert, there is wayne lapierre, the president, ceo of the national rifle association. he is speaking to the leadership convention. the next believe, is going to be the president himself, president trump will be the first sitting president in 34 years to address the group. ronald reagan did so in 1983. interesting, we just noted, it was a couple years after he was shot by the deranged gunman john hinckley junior who was trying to impress the actress jodie foster. that is when reagan spoke. donald trump will be speaking shortly, and when he does so, we will take you there live. >> jenna: after years of decline, the u.s. steel industry is surging and jobs seem to be coming back, many in the industry credit the president's america first strategy for this. mike tobin is live in indiana with more. >> hey, businessman and trade groups in asia are now using the word protectionist referring to president trump's backing of the american s

joining me now ari fleischer, also cnn political commentator and democratic strategist paul begala.y a press spokesman does not want to become the story. this is not the first time for sean spicer. can he survive this? >> no, in short. >> you don't think so? >> it's not -- it's not just this outrage about the holocaust, and he apologized, and i think i have to accept that apology. it's the whole pattern. the very first thing he did on his very first day on the job was go out and berate the press and spread falsehoods about the size of the crowd at the inaugural, thereby diminishing not just the credibility of sean spicer, it's about the white house, about the united states of america. i always say watch the organ grinder, not the monkey. spicer is a monkey. fleischer is a monkey. the president is the organ grinder, and it's his credibility is at risk. and he has a pen chant for saying untrue things as well. that's a bigger problem because he's got a four-year no cut contract. spicer does not. i don't think he'll make it to day 100 because he's making the president look bad. he's mak

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ari fleischer made a great statement in "the new york times" today talking about the use of air force as president to get frequent flyer miles. you do it to make a point. and to bakari's point, he hasn't had any great successes or victories to date with regard to health care and tax reform, but i think once he starts ticking those off, we will see him out and about much more. and right now he's communicating through twitter to his followers. >> bakari sellers on georgia six, democrats don't get a participation ribbon. he may do better than past democrats in the district, but without a victory there, will democrats really have anything to point to? >> no, i think your premise is fundamentally flawed. if you look at kansas, where we didn't win, we made up 20 points, and that's in extremely, extremely deep red kansas. as we move towards georgia and then look at montana down the road, and even in south carolina in the fifth congressional district, you'll see democrats play and play extremely hard in these traditionally deep red states. if we continue to make up 15-20 points, that doesn't

we can see the tweet there for those listning on line ari fleischer's tweet. >> that was that saturday beginning to the administration. the inaugural celebration. was just a foolish endeavor from the start to the end. you know, the notion that crowd size was just a mattered. that the president needed to weigh in on what the size of the crowd was as a validation of his election. and poor shawn. shawn was sent out to argue with the press about it and it was a terrible way for a press secretary to begin relations with the press corps on that saturday night. i said at the time that if shawn fumbled the ball on saturday night he picked it up, recovered, and ran for a first down on monday when he had his first briefing. nightline quote to and they chopped it in the middle and said shawn fumbled the ball. but look the press secretary's job is to reflect nightline the president d it in the and i will make the case would you rather have a press secretary who you really like, get along with well, who treats you nicely but has no clue what donald trump is thinking, or would you rather have a pres

as we're waiting for sean spicer to have his chance to talk to greta, i actually ran into ari fleischer last night who we just saw at the museum and he knows better than anybody what it's like to be behind that podium. he says he thinks that spicer may have saved his job with that apology which they don't do very often. do you think so? >> i think if he had not apologized, had not come out and explained what he meant and make some amends that he would be under really serious fire this morning. >> calm some of the critics? >> i think it was necessary. we'll see if it's sufficient. because this is a -- you know, it's hard to be press secretary, there's no question. you need to know a lot of things about a lot of areas, but this was a pretty fundamental breach of history and sensitivity. i mean it was a pretty serious blunder. >> part of the problem, robert, this is not the first time we've seen some problems with this white house when it relates to the jewish community. we all remember they put out this statement for haolocaust remembrance day and it doesn't mention the jews. at the time

one of the seasons that are ari fleischer-- provided. if you were hired as a what advice would you have for them about how to fix or adjust their coverage? ari: how much would they pay? >> you are expensive. the white i left house i deliberately wanted no politics. it is one of the reasons i enjoy politics. it has nothing to do with my livelihood. i will answer your question with a direct story. that is when i was on the ways and means committee in the 1990's my in 1997, salt -- 12 students came for a weeklong program. i talked with them about how news is made on capitol hill. at the end of my talk i said to the students, just out of curiosity, how many of you voted manyob dole and then how for bill clinton? clinton first and 11 hands went up. i looked at the 12th person, only one of you voted for abdul and the 12th guy said no, i voted for ralph nader. journalism will never fix itself until it addresses the self-selection issue of hope -- who goes into journalism. give me a newsroom of love and ronald reagan voters and one patent get --

. >> ari fleischer, press secretary to george w.elected president trump in some ways to undo what barack obama had done in the past eight years. >> you can be ungloved by the executive order and that's what donald trump has done. >> reporter: the white house says 2016 election was a man dade for change and the president's use oaggressive use executive orders is something not to be taken lightly. >>> "face the nation" moderator john dickerson joining us from washington. good morning. >> good morning, gayle. >> these orders, have they moved the needle significantly on any of the campaign promises? >> a little bit, but a lot of these are parts of his administration to study things or look into things. so they don't take action but they do reviews. other things would have to take place to take action. they do give direction to his administration, which is something and obviously they're being used in the same way president obama used them which is public wree lags moments, to show the president cares about an issue. you still have to go

i know ari fleischer. these people had very helpful relations with the press. for the press to be analyzing itself for like days on and when they were called, when donald trump called him an enemy of the american people, they kept psychoanalyzing themselves. why are we in any? they were talking day after day. >> when the president of united states calls anyone or anything in any of the american people, i mean -- [talking over each other] >> it should be independent. >> breitbart. >> it is independent. they can report what they see and what they want. he may not like what the report but he can't tell them -- but to call them the enemy. not that they are wrong or their misguided which he is there to do, but he calls them the enemy of the american people. do you believe that quite do you believe they are an enemy of the american people? >> nono, i don't. that's my opinion. >> what could be more divisive that stating it like that? i mean, you can't, you know, you can't call for coming together, we all want to see the count to be less divisive and then give a pass t

. >> reporter: ari fleischer, press secretary under george w.h, said the only person who can decide who stays or goes is the man he represents. >> sean works for donald trump. so long as he has the president's confidence, it's not an issue. >> reporter: the president has not yet commented on spicer's gaffe, but he'll have a chance to do so at a press conference later today. charlie. >> chip, "the new york post," michael goodwin did an interview with him and said i like steve, talking about steve bannon, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late and i'm my own strategist. what's the significance of this and what message is he sending? >> reporter: well, it strongly suggests that bannon is on some kind of super secret probation after his feud last week with jared kushner, who of course is a senior advisor here, but also the president's son-in-law. this is the first time the president has publicly acknowledged that feud. he said to "the post" steve is a good guy, but i told them to straighten it out or i will. the

brian: there is a reason why ari fleischer wasn't nodding.e campaign. get a rare inside look at the fbi on a different story. >> i'm an individual. we're trying to locate him in new york. trying to find him. brian director comey giving a new green light for a documentary taking place at the agency's new york office. hopefully will will build trust with the american people. i'm sure it will go well. ainsley? ainsley: thank you, brian there is a new policy in baltimore that many say could make that city more dangerous. this after the department of justice and attorney general jeff sessions reported that violent crime, look at that increased by 22% in the last year alone. many say this new policy will discourage arrests and even give criminals a i say so over how police officers are doing their jobs. here to weigh in on this is former d.c. homicide divecket defective and homicide detective rod wheeler. good to see you. >> good morning. good to see you, too, ainsley. ainsley: why are h they do this because according to jeff sessions it's going to