. >> bill keller has a great organization that looks at criminal justice issues.t did a study and it looked at what candidates do. and they are making a big show of meeting in the obama white house working for criminal justice reform, and i guess i feel as a reporter that the public should see the big picture. what personal price have you paid for this? have they are tracking you, chasing you, digging into your life? >> yeah, they have, and i'm not alone. they, actually, it never happened to me before. i discovered later and howard safer started digging through my life and find dirt so they could tarnish my reputation and ruin my work. >> they failed on that one. >> i lived to tell the story but i'm lucky, i'm at a great magazine with an incredible publisher. the koch brothers and others very bullying very super interesting -- there are stories of people felt their phones were being tapped, they felt they were being followed. and why does it matter? it's not just because you don't want mean millionaires. what i don't want is they take out the press when the press

keller, will join us with an update. we'll be right back. >> sunday night on afterwards, washington times national gertz ty columnist bill with his book "i war," modern technology, new interviewed by congresswoman of new york. the house committee and chair of the armed services n emerging threats and capabilities. >> "i war" is a look at what i fareis the new form of war that is emerging in the 21st century. security ed national affairs for years, been all over covering issues and i think it is a reflection of the that we're now looking at this new form of war fare, which i call information i define that as technical cyber, that we've seen so much of in terms of cyber attacks on the russian chinese, as well as the content influence type of thing really emerged in the last presidential election with russian cyber-enabled influence operation. o these two things i believe will be dominant form of war fare. > watch sunday night 9 eastern on book t.v. >> one of the things that i loved about the l.a. times before i f books way was book editor, i was just driving there and showing up irst thing in the morning, i wanted to be first in line, first of