also, keep in mind a lot of people go to television shows and movie, due to them, they think dna is gaven that it will be used in court. that's not true. in my case, we had to pay every single penny to get this dna testing done. we had to pay over $200,000 because the state would cover none of it. they were going to kill me and never even test this dna. we didn't have that kind of money. i was poor white trash from a trailer park. if it wasn't for people like johnny andout. >> , ewe would have never had the money to get this dna testing done. most people on death row don't have that kind of money, they don't have family or friends with that kind of money, so they may very well die even though there is dna at the the crime scene that could be tested that would common rate them. >> and they also likely don't understand the law. was there a moment when you were going to be executed because your lawyers didn't even realize they had to file a stay? >> absolutely mix original execution date was may 5, 19 19, and i got close to that because i had ineffective public defenders who didn't realize t