the conservatives which would be like the joana goldberg. >> who is a leading conservative. >> that's right. >> they were pretty much part of the never trump world, he's not acceptable alternative. we would make the argument that those who deal in the grassroots world make the argument compared to hillary clinton, who are you going to have more an influence on in terms of policy, a donald trump or a hillary clinton, obviously when donald trump chose mike pence as vice presidential candidate, it was clear indication that was sent to conservative movement that he wanted to have this serious outreach to conservatives and i think you had when he gave up the list of conservatives for the supreme court nomination, another outreach to conservatives as well that he was serious in terms of saying, i'm willing to listen, i want you all to be part of my campaign. so i think, you know, you still will have the purist in terms of the conservatives and the conservative movement in general who are keeping tabs on what the president is doing. so far when it comes to the supreme court nomination, so fa